XSF Discussion - 2020-11-02


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  141. flow deuill, consider using exinsting code where possible, e.g. one of the plenty XMPP libraries
  142. flow deuill, you definetly don't want to implement an xmpp stack from scratch
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  183. deuill Indeed yeah, I'm planning on using https://mellium.im. My question is more about getting a good world-view on which I can build the semantics/interface which I'll use to bridge over to Delta, questions like "What is an account? What is a direct message? What is a group, and how do users in groups differ to ones messaged directly? etc."
  184. deuill I've previously built a small chat-bot that utilizes Inform7, but the semantics there are easier to bridge: https://github.com/deuill/informbot
  185. deuill I realize bridges are the sorts of rocks that lots of ships have crashed against, but ehm...
  186. deuill XEP-0100 is probably a good starting-point, I wish it covered MUC etc. but it should be straightforward to draw a line from in any case.
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  188. deuill And AFAIK there’s no such thing as a transport framework/baseline for XMPP, at least not one in Go (Matterbridge doesn't count)
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  196. MattJ deuill, I'm not sure how Delta Chat handles groups exactly, but I'm going to assume it's more akin to XEP-0033 than XEP-0045. The problem is that the former is not implemented by clients. You may find some companionship in the JMP community where they have the same problem for group SMS bridging, and have been looking at solutions and MUC<->-0033 bridges
  197. MattJ Not sure what their status on that is
  198. flow MattJ, can't one have pseudo xep33 by simply forking the messages?
  199. flow that is what MAXS does if xep33 is not available
  200. MattJ On the client side?
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  202. flow yep
  203. MattJ As I said, clients don't implement 33
  204. MattJ otherwise it would be fine :)
  205. flow hmm, maybe I did not understood your concern then
  206. MattJ Well what you're saying is that they should essentially implement pseudo-33 on the client side
  207. MattJ But they don't do that either
  208. MattJ Your suggestion is a workaround for lack of server support, which isn't a problem in the case of a bridge
  209. MattJ The bridge's problem is the lack of client support
  210. MattJ Clients only support XEP-0045 groups
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  249. deuill MattJ, hmmm from reading the Delta Chat library code, it seems you're right -- "group chats" aren't given their own IDs so there's no one-to-one mapping to a JID per se, though it might be perhaps possible to fudge support with some intermediate state in the transport.
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  252. deuill I guess the issue then is synchronizing state for out-of-band changes, but I'll get there. I appreciate all your input and help!
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  453. nad287 Hi all !
  454. nad287 Can we change omemo to use AES CBC instead of AES GCM ? or omemo protocol force to use AES GCM ?
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  496. moparisthebest nad287: why
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