XSF Discussion - 2020-11-04


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  134. Tim Is the XMPP logo free to use in websites next to xmpp: links, the way, say, the GitHub and Twitter logos are sometimes used next to links to GitHub and Twitter accounts?
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  227. MattJ Tim, go for it :)
  228. MattJ I just switched from subscribing to planet.jabber.org's Atom feed to the RSS feed after I noticed my feed reader was missing a number of items
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  231. MattJ They seem to be in the feed ok, but then the W3C validator throws up a handful of issues (likely issues with the source posts)
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  238. Ge0rG MattJ: write some Javascript to fix the issues and inject it from your own blog?
  239. MattJ Good idea
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  292. Tim MattJ: Thanks! It's in the footer at https://circulex.nz/
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  417. Guus Is there any client left that depends on stuff like the crossdomain.xml file, or using the http://www.jabber.com/streams/flash namespace? From what I can tell, this is old Flash-related stuff. I'm considering to drop support.
  418. jonas’ Flash is very EOL at the end of 2020. Go for it.
  419. Guus Yeah, I'm all for killing Flash with fire. I'm primarily worried if something else is piggybacking on those mechanisms though.
  420. jonas’ nothing matches streams/flash in xeps
  421. jonas’ nothing matches crossdomain
  422. jonas’ kill it with fire
  423. jonas’ if anything piggybacks on it, it is wildly nonstandard and piggybacking on a technology from the previous decade (no matter which way you use to count decades? :)
  424. jonas’ if anything piggybacks on it, it is wildly nonstandard and piggybacking on a technology from the previous decade (no matter which way you use to count decades) :)
  425. jonas’ if anything piggybacks on it, it is wildly nonstandard and piggybacking on a nonstandard technology from the previous decade (no matter which way you use to count decades) :)
  426. Guus Thanks 🙂
  427. Guus Yuk
  428. Guus // We need to allow the NULL character, however, for Flash XMLSocket clients to work.
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  430. Ge0rG No matter how I count, it's technology from two decades ago ;)
  431. Guus Doesn't mean that people aren't still using it though...
  432. Zash Grep your forum for hints maybe?
  433. Ge0rG it's one of the few projects that have an even worse security track record than libpurple.
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  436. Guus There's actually a couple of hits on 'flash' in our forum. Half of which related to people asking if that's a security issue, the other half questioning why their Flash client isn't working with Openfire. :-S
  437. Guus (and a gazillion of hits on notifications that are 'flashing' somewhere)
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  440. moparisthebest > Yeah, I'm all for killing Flash with fire.
  441. moparisthebest killing it with... Openfire ?
  442. moparisthebest walks himself out
  443. Guus I'm now annoyed with myself that I didn't think of that.
  444. emus moparisthebest: 😁
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  486. marc Ge0rG: why does 389 rely on unauthenticated IQs?
  487. Ge0rG marc: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0389.html#sect-idm46110484684112
  488. marc I don't understand this part but it is an option not necessary, no?
  489. marc I mean i don't understand it's use case
  490. Ge0rG marc: I haven't read it either, just saw that IQs are used after stream negotiation, which I read as before auth
  491. Ge0rG or maybe before binding? Dunno
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  494. marc I don't know but it is not necessary IMO
  495. Ge0rG but the question is: is it supported?
  496. marc No, you say it is necessary for 389 which is probably not the case
  497. marc Ge0rG: talked to sam, it is after auth
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  499. Ge0rG marc: well, I wrote that it "relies" on them, but in that case I was wrong.
  500. marc 👍
  501. marc It's for the case an admin wants to create an account on the server, for example
  502. Ge0rG I'm surprised that Sam didn't point that out
  503. marc He missed that point
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  508. marc Ge0rG: if I understand it correctly the entire on boarding process can be based on 389
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  515. Ge0rG marc: that's great. Implement it, write it down, submit a XEP
  516. Ge0rG We can add it to the list in the updated 0401
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  521. Ge0rG I'm sure that it will be added to smack 4.5 one day, which I'm going to integrate into yaxim around 2023
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  523. Ge0rG Ah, Sam has clarified the intended use case as well
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  526. marc Ge0rG: pre-auth token is not implemented in smack either ;)
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  531. Ge0rG marc: no, but iq is, and adding a custom element is rather simple
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  534. Ge0rG marc: https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/packet/PreAuth.java
  535. marc Ge0rG: I have no comparison but smack is quite extensible isn't it?
  536. Ge0rG https://github.com/yaxim-org/yaxim/blob/master/src/org/yaxim/androidclient/service/SmackableImp.java#L855-L857 is the actual implementation
  537. Ge0rG marc: yes it is, but implementing one new IQ is an order of magnitude or two easier than implementing a new IBR protocol
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