XSF Discussion - 2020-11-15


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  143. marc https://share.zapb.de/0e13a6d6e89e55a5708adf142c700a6b2c084b73/EXp7m5I4zMnUVV5jNHjExgpvbqPNGulS7G1JYZty/xep389_invite_and_recovery.webm
  144. marc XEP-389 at work
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  155. flow marc, +1`
  156. flow not really related, but Dino(?) uses the term "XMPP ID"?
  157. marc AFAIK XMPP ID is the term that should be used according to modern XMPP
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  160. Link Mauve Dino doesn’t, I went through all the strings recently. :)
  161. lovetox We use XMPP Address
  162. lovetox But i guess XMPP ID would also be fine
  163. lovetox looks good marc the password reset makes me bit uneasy
  164. lovetox setting new password without typing it a second time or at least have the possibility to not hide it, is a game of luck
  165. lovetox but this is a client UI thing, not related to 389
  166. marc Oh wait, that XMPP ID comes from the dataform
  167. lovetox then ID is probably good
  168. marc > setting new password without typing it a second time or at least have the possibility to not hide it, is a game of luck To hide it?
  169. lovetox because something like Address needs to be translated
  170. lovetox and not all servers support translation
  171. lovetox marc, "to *not* hide" it
  172. lovetox or better "to show" :)
  173. marc And it's not about changing password but recovering, you don't know your password in that case
  174. lovetox marc, in your video you set a new password
  175. lovetox what if i mistype my new password, i have to reset it all again
  176. marc You mean something like two pw fields that check if both are equal?
  177. Link Mauve marc, the correct term for the dataform would be JID.
  178. Link Mauve Clients can then translate it how they want.
  179. Link Mauve Changing JID in the protocols would be an extremely bad idea.
  180. arne anonbox offers instant accounts?
  181. marc Link Mauve, it's all about 389 not about "I did a perfect UI"
  182. arne Isn't that an invitation for spammers?
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  184. marc arc, you cannot send email but receive
  185. marc arne
  186. arne ah ok, thanks for informing
  187. Link Mauve Spammers often need to receive emails but not send, for instance to create an account on most websites.
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  191. marc Link Mauve, I'm not a spammer and I need to create account on some websites ;)
  192. marc +s
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  195. marc Link Mauve, lovetox I did the token and email recovery implementation to spot problems of my implementation and the spec
  196. Link Mauve That’s cool!
  197. marc Turns out that once you have the basic 389 implementation, extension are quite easy to implement
  198. flow marc, no, modern xmpp states bascically to use "XMPP address" → https://docs.modernxmpp.org/meetings/2019-01-brussels/#naming-things
  199. flow "XMPP ID" would add a third term for the same thingy, we probably want to avoid that
  200. marc At the moment everything is done via dataforms, for some use cases it would be beneficial to have some dedicated challenges defined
  201. marc flow, as I said, forget about the UI ;)
  202. marc But TBH I find it not too bad :)
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  217. Ge0rG marc: good work!
  218. jonas’ marc, if the UI is all they complain about, it’s probably OK ;)
  219. jonas’ UI is the last thing (floss) devs complain about ;D
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  221. Ge0rG I complain about UI. Also about UX.
  222. Ge0rG I had to 🤐 to not complain about having to enter the JID twice and about the visible password 😉
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  228. marc Ge0rG, thanks
  229. marc I also consider UI/UX as important
  230. marc but that was not the main exercise here
  231. marc Ge0rG, yes, the reason is that the ui renders all data form challenges directly
  232. marc in the main version I would check if the challenge is for the jid and directly send it to the server and do not render it
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  235. marc also at the moment I used data forms only, as said before in some cases a dedicated challenge type would be beneficial
  236. marc But it took me like 20 minutes to build an invite token challenge on top of the existing code
  237. Ge0rG Yeah, specifying the exact form fields or using a dedicated challenge should allow the client to make proper UI
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  239. marc Ge0rG, exactly
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  312. flow marc, IIRC data forms provide a field type for passwords
  313. marc flow, yes, they do. what's the context?
  314. flow marc, not sure, it sounded like you didn't knew about that
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  342. marc flow: I do but I didn't care for this poc
  343. marc flow: btw, do you have a good howto for smack on desktop?
  344. marc I failed with all the Java Gradle shit
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  366. flow marc: happy to help, not sure which issues you ran into. gradle is smack build system, but you don't need to use it in order to consume smack. maybe ask in smack@conference.igniterealtime.org
  367. flow marc: happy to help, not sure which issues you ran into. gradle is smack's build system, but you don't need to use it in order to consume smack. maybe ask in smack@conference.igniterealtime.org
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  371. mdosch Gradle of filth?
  372. Zash Gah, I opened XEP-0060 to a random section and found something I've never heard of before. Why?
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  406. edhelas Zash I actually saw that exact message opening 0060 randomly last time I checked
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  408. edhelas Is it some kind of malediction ?
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