XSF Discussion - 2020-11-16


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  93. emus Hello everyone, mid of month again - just reminding you to drop your project news to the last XMPP newsletter release in this year! (Publish on 8th of December!) 📡 You can create a pull request or place a comment here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/830 Looking forward!
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  104. Ge0rG emus: did you write something down for the LEcalypse?
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  114. emus Ge0rG: Nope, no sufficient understanding, but PR is welcome
  115. Ge0rG -ENOTIME
  116. emus what?
  117. Ge0rG emus: Error, insufficient time
  118. emus ok
  119. emus I mean, I dont expect something long. If one can summarise the cirumstance in 1-3 sentences that is enough
  120. Ge0rG emus: if I write you a paragraph of markdown here in the room, would you integrate it?
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  122. emus Ge0rG: yes
  123. Ge0rG emus: cool!
  124. emus just write it, not formatting
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  127. Ge0rG Let's Encrypt announced to [switch away from their Root CA certificate cross-signed by IdenTrust](https://letsencrypt.org/2020/11/06/own-two-feet.html). This means that old client devices (especially the roughly one third of Android phones running Android 7.0 and older) will consider Let's Encrypt certificates issued after January 11th 2021 as untrustworthy. This problem will not go away, as the IdenTrust cross-signed certificate will expire in September, but there are some possible mitigations: - For users: it is possible, but not very straight-forward to [add the new Root CA certificate to the system trust store](https://stackoverflow.com/a/22040887/) - Client developers can bundle the new [ISG Root X1](https://letsencrypt.org/certificates/) certificate with the app, or implement a manual CA approval mechanism like [MemorizingTrustManager](https://github.com/ge0rg/MemorizingTrustManager) - Server operators can use the ["alternate" option](https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/transition-to-isrgs-root-delayed-until-jan-11-2021/125516) between January and September to obtain certificates signed by the old IdenTrust-based root.
  128. Ge0rG emus: ^
  129. emus Ge0rG: Thank you very much
  130. Ge0rG emus: at your service :)
  131. jonas’ oh wow
  132. jonas’ that is .. indeed an apocalypse
  133. MattJ The question to me is, can we identify affected clients somehow?
  134. jonas’ before or after the fallout?
  135. Shell the main issue is very old Android devices, and clients which use the system certificate store (i.e. pretty much all of them).
  136. jonas’ Shell, Android 7.0 is not very old in my book.
  137. Ge0rG I still think that most Android clients will have some sort of manual certificate approval built in from the times before LE
  138. Ge0rG Because most people had rotten SSL certs before LE came
  139. Ge0rG So you weren't even able to log in into most self-host servers from a normal Android app
  140. Ge0rG But maybe my view is skewed because I'm the developer of the only Android client that survived over a decade.
  141. jonas’ I’m afraid that might be the case
  142. jonas’ except for Xabber
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  144. Ge0rG https://github.com/redsolution/xabber-android/blob/cdf34f44b42f2b9d4de027e06086afbab4a8a0b4/xabber/src/main/java/com/xabber/xmpp/smack/XMPPTCPConnection.java#L775 looks like it supports something in that direction, but no idea where the config class is implemented
  145. Ge0rG oh, it's smack's
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  147. Ge0rG jonas’: looks like you are right, Xabber will fail.
  148. Ge0rG oh wait. https://github.com/redsolution/xabber-android/blob/cdf34f44b42f2b9d4de027e06086afbab4a8a0b4/xabber/src/main/java/com/xabber/android/data/connection/ConnectionBuilder.java#L57-L63
  149. Ge0rG TIL github search won't search for substrings
  150. Ge0rG Conversations also comes with some sort of MTM.
  151. Ge0rG Are there any other relevant Android clients?
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  165. Holger Alex (et al.): Is Memberbot supposed to talk to me (holger@jabber.fu-berlin.de) right now?
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  167. Holger Alex: It worked right after you added(?) my JID a few days ago, but seems it does no longer.
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  195. Alex Holger: will check in some minutes when I get back to my office
  196. Holger Thanks (no hurries!).
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  198. Alex looks like memberbot terminated. Should be up and running again now
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  202. Holger Yes, thank you!
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  408. emus Ge0rG: the expire im September... 2021 ?
  409. emus Ge0rG: the expire in September... 2021 ?
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  421. emus comments welcome: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/836
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  430. Ge0rG emus: yes, from the le article
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