XSF Discussion - 2020-11-20


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  311. SamWhited Hi all; does anyone here have access to jabber.org (or any other large server, really) and could you tell me what percentage of connections are using dialback vs. other more modern mechanisms for authenticating S2S? Thanks.
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  313. jonas’ SamWhited, would looking at what search.jabber.network is experiencing help?
  314. SamWhited jonas’: oh yes, that would be great! I assume it has a lot of connections to a ton of different servers
  315. jonas’ it does indeed
  316. Link Mauve SamWhited, at JabberFR, I got 85 dialback, vs. 1949 SASL EXTERNAL.
  317. Link Mauve Out of the dialback ones, 35 use it due to nor having a valid certificate.
  318. SamWhited Link Mauve: oh good, that's what I was hoping to see! Thanks, hoefully that holds for other servers.
  319. Link Mauve We don’t s2s without TLS so there would possibly be many more in that case.
  320. jonas’ Link Mauve, how do you enumerate that?
  321. Link Mauve s2s:show() | grep
  322. jonas’ where does it say what auth type was used?
  323. jonas’ looks like that for me: | <- conference.zombofant.net [s2sin55ecb08cd9b0] (authenticated) (encrypted) (IPv6) | -> conference.zombofant.net [s2sout55ecb95828b0] (authenticated) (encrypted) (IPv6)
  324. Link Mauve | -> jabber.otr.im [s2sout56325aa66700] (authenticated) (dialback) (encrypted)
  325. jonas’ I don’t have a single entry with that
  326. Link Mauve Maybe you’re not running a recent enough trunk?
  327. jonas’ maybe
  328. jonas’ hg:5c9341a1b36f
  329. SamWhited That's okay, it's not super important, I'm just trying to decide how important it is to prioritize supporting dialback. Thanks for the help
  330. Kev If you can find an excuse not to implement db, take it. You're never quite the same afterwards.
  331. SamWhited Indeed, one server not using it all that much seems good enough to just stick with SASL EXTERNAL to me :)
  332. SamWhited Anyways, if anyone else on a large server can confirm similar numbers that would be great, but if not no big deal, jabber.fr is probably representative enough of the network (unless France just really likes getting valid certificates more than other places for some reason)
  333. jonas’ Link Mauve, oh, this is even just 0.11, not trunk
  334. Zash Personally when I've tried to disable dialback, it's only jabber.org that I notice loss of federation with
  335. Link Mauve :D
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  347. moparisthebest Who knew the FSF was a top tier animation studio ? https://framatube.org/videos/watch/32ded243-ea5f-4f69-8dd0-5628c9231379
  348. moparisthebest Should the XSF start making awesome cartoons too?
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  350. Ge0rG that reminds me of a time when I was working on a wifi driver, together with somebody who was involved in Pixar movies.
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  452. DebXWoody moparisthebest, Do you know which software they use?
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  454. moparisthebest other than peertube for sharing, no
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  456. moparisthebest knowing nothing about activitypub as a developer, but just as a user, it's pretty cool I can follow+favorite+boost peertube videos from software with totally different purposes like pleroma/mastodon
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  458. DebXWoody I was playing with blender. I will need 20 years to make a cartoon :-)
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  603. MattJ FWIW Snikket servers don't do dialback
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  609. SamWhited Sounds good to me; gonna put that on the backlog and ignore it unless it actually causes problems.
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  615. dwd SamWhited, you can always front it with Metre if you need dialback.
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  620. SamWhited Good point; definitely worth just waiting then
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  625. dwd FWIW, I put dialback into metre in part because it allows piggybacking and bidi, though there's some entertaining interop problems there too.
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