XSF Discussion - 2020-11-20

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Hi all; does anyone here have access to jabber.org (or any other large server, really) and could you tell me what percentage of connections are using dialback vs. other more modern mechanisms for authenticating S2S? Thanks.

SamWhited, would looking at what search.jabber.network is experiencing help?

jonas’: oh yes, that would be great! I assume it has a lot of connections to a ton of different servers

it does indeed

SamWhited, at JabberFR, I got 85 dialback, vs. 1949 SASL EXTERNAL.

Out of the dialback ones, 35 use it due to nor having a valid certificate.

Link Mauve: oh good, that's what I was hoping to see! Thanks, hoefully that holds for other servers.

We don’t s2s without TLS so there would possibly be many more in that case.

Link Mauve, how do you enumerate that?

s2s:show() | grep

where does it say what auth type was used?

looks like that for me: | <- conference.zombofant.net [s2sin55ecb08cd9b0] (authenticated) (encrypted) (IPv6) | -> conference.zombofant.net [s2sout55ecb95828b0] (authenticated) (encrypted) (IPv6)

| -> jabber.otr.im [s2sout56325aa66700] (authenticated) (dialback) (encrypted)

I don’t have a single entry with that

Maybe you’re not running a recent enough trunk?

maybe

hg:5c9341a1b36f

That's okay, it's not super important, I'm just trying to decide how important it is to prioritize supporting dialback. Thanks for the help

If you can find an excuse not to implement db, take it. You're never quite the same afterwards.

Indeed, one server not using it all that much seems good enough to just stick with SASL EXTERNAL to me :)

Anyways, if anyone else on a large server can confirm similar numbers that would be great, but if not no big deal, jabber.fr is probably representative enough of the network (unless France just really likes getting valid certificates more than other places for some reason)

Link Mauve, oh, this is even just 0.11, not trunk

Personally when I've tried to disable dialback, it's only jabber.org that I notice loss of federation with

:D

Who knew the FSF was a top tier animation studio ? https://framatube.org/videos/watch/32ded243-ea5f-4f69-8dd0-5628c9231379

Should the XSF start making awesome cartoons too?

that reminds me of a time when I was working on a wifi driver, together with somebody who was involved in Pixar movies.

moparisthebest, Do you know which software they use?

other than peertube for sharing, no

knowing nothing about activitypub as a developer, but just as a user, it's pretty cool I can follow+favorite+boost peertube videos from software with totally different purposes like pleroma/mastodon

I was playing with blender. I will need 20 years to make a cartoon :-)

FWIW Snikket servers don't do dialback

Sounds good to me; gonna put that on the backlog and ignore it unless it actually causes problems.

SamWhited, you can always front it with Metre if you need dialback.

Good point; definitely worth just waiting then

FWIW, I put dialback into metre in part because it allows piggybacking and bidi, though there's some entertaining interop problems there too.