XSF Discussion - 2020-11-20

  1. fk'


  2. SamWhited

    Hi all; does anyone here have access to jabber.org (or any other large server, really) and could you tell me what percentage of connections are using dialback vs. other more modern mechanisms for authenticating S2S? Thanks.

  3. jonas’

    SamWhited, would looking at what search.jabber.network is experiencing help?

  4. SamWhited

    jonas’: oh yes, that would be great! I assume it has a lot of connections to a ton of different servers

  5. jonas’

    it does indeed

  6. Link Mauve

    SamWhited, at JabberFR, I got 85 dialback, vs. 1949 SASL EXTERNAL.

  7. Link Mauve

    Out of the dialback ones, 35 use it due to nor having a valid certificate.

  8. SamWhited

    Link Mauve: oh good, that's what I was hoping to see! Thanks, hoefully that holds for other servers.

  9. Link Mauve

    We don’t s2s without TLS so there would possibly be many more in that case.

  10. jonas’

    Link Mauve, how do you enumerate that?

  11. Link Mauve

    s2s:show() | grep

  12. jonas’

    where does it say what auth type was used?

  13. jonas’

    looks like that for me: | <- conference.zombofant.net [s2sin55ecb08cd9b0] (authenticated) (encrypted) (IPv6) | -> conference.zombofant.net [s2sout55ecb95828b0] (authenticated) (encrypted) (IPv6)

  14. Link Mauve

    | -> jabber.otr.im [s2sout56325aa66700] (authenticated) (dialback) (encrypted)

  15. jonas’

    I don’t have a single entry with that

  16. Link Mauve

    Maybe you’re not running a recent enough trunk?

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  18. jonas’


  19. SamWhited

    That's okay, it's not super important, I'm just trying to decide how important it is to prioritize supporting dialback. Thanks for the help

  20. Kev

    If you can find an excuse not to implement db, take it. You're never quite the same afterwards.

  21. SamWhited

    Indeed, one server not using it all that much seems good enough to just stick with SASL EXTERNAL to me :)

  22. SamWhited

    Anyways, if anyone else on a large server can confirm similar numbers that would be great, but if not no big deal, jabber.fr is probably representative enough of the network (unless France just really likes getting valid certificates more than other places for some reason)

  23. jonas’

    Link Mauve, oh, this is even just 0.11, not trunk

  24. Zash

    Personally when I've tried to disable dialback, it's only jabber.org that I notice loss of federation with

  25. Link Mauve


  26. moparisthebest

    Who knew the FSF was a top tier animation studio ? https://framatube.org/videos/watch/32ded243-ea5f-4f69-8dd0-5628c9231379

  27. moparisthebest

    Should the XSF start making awesome cartoons too?

  28. Ge0rG

    that reminds me of a time when I was working on a wifi driver, together with somebody who was involved in Pixar movies.

  29. DebXWoody

    moparisthebest, Do you know which software they use?

  30. moparisthebest

    other than peertube for sharing, no

  31. moparisthebest

    knowing nothing about activitypub as a developer, but just as a user, it's pretty cool I can follow+favorite+boost peertube videos from software with totally different purposes like pleroma/mastodon

  32. DebXWoody

    I was playing with blender. I will need 20 years to make a cartoon :-)

  33. MattJ

    FWIW Snikket servers don't do dialback

  34. SamWhited

    Sounds good to me; gonna put that on the backlog and ignore it unless it actually causes problems.

  35. dwd

    SamWhited, you can always front it with Metre if you need dialback.

  36. SamWhited

    Good point; definitely worth just waiting then

  37. dwd

    FWIW, I put dialback into metre in part because it allows piggybacking and bidi, though there's some entertaining interop problems there too.