XSF Discussion - 2020-11-23

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06:59:07 Neustradamus SamWhited: About: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/992 Do not forget all my issues on GitHub (but hidden for the moment)... - https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/421 Neustradamus commented Mar 29, 2018 There are always old proposals in the inbox, normally old proposals are redirected to its XEP (like previously). Can you look for redirection? https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/account-management.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0376.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bidi.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks2.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cap.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0395.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/carbons.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/client-key.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0399.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/client-state-notification.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cmr.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0354.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/colors.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0392.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/decloak.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0276.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0281.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dsig-design.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0274.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dsig.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0285.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fmuc.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0289.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding-delivery.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/incident-reporting.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/incident-reporting.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/isr-sasl2.html + https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/isr.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0397.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jet-omemo.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0396.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jet.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0391.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-ibb.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0261.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-nodes.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0278.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-rtp-mti.html + https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-rtp-codecs.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0266.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-s5b.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0260.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-zrtp.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0262.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mix.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mobile.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0286.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/moved.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0283.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muji.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0272.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/outofband.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0265.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pep-vcard-conversion.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/problem-reporting.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0268.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-since.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0312.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reputation.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0275.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rsf.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0351.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sasl2.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0388.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sic.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0279.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sift.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0273.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/spim.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0287.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sxe.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0284.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/thumbs.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0264.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/user-invite.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-selfping.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0410.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks-conversion.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0411.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cs-2019.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hash-recommendations.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0414.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/eax-car.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0416.html
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07:02:48 Neustradamus Of course it is not up-to-date, there are other after XEP-0416.
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07:27:43 flow Lance> you can send action=execute any time. but it's the "idk what i want, you decide for me" option. so the responder decides what actually happens Only if you received a well-formed form.
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07:28:40 flow c.f. https://github.com/xsf/xeps/commit/ed41edb80c0046da6df669e076809df69b31d75a#diff-9c653c70f4bab0ef21835dd2cf0e1f2874bfddab46b82132dc73cda1b86f5851 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/commit/fc14df1d8d49a065115cb4549e66e243db4b6ce3
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07:48:49 Ge0rG Neustradamus: please don't copy paste walls of text
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08:09:28 Neustradamus Ge0rG: The problem is that my ticket has been hidden by GitHub, the only possibility is to recall here ;)
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08:10:23 jonas’ Neustradamus, why was it hidden by github?
08:10:44 jonas’ I cannot see it and I have privileges on that repo, that is weird
08:11:05 Ge0rG Neustradamus: no, the problem is you copy pasting a wall of text.
08:11:19 Ge0rG jonas’: maybe Neustradamus account got flagged?
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09:41:27 Guus Off-topic. but lots of smart people here: if systemctl commands time out all the time ("Failed to reload daemon: Connection timed out"), how to diagnose? I'm thinking that systemctl is a front-end to a service provider (systemd?) that it cannot reach? How would that communication occur normally?
09:47:42 jonas’ run strace on it to see where the timeout really occurs
09:48:04 jonas’ the communication between systemctl and systemd happens, on the lowest level, via unix sockets IIRC
09:48:08 jonas’ possibly there is dbus involved though
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10:04:27 mathieui Guus, tiemouts with systemd mean a reboot for me, usually, it’s too much to debug (also at this point a hard reboot is often required because you can’t systemctl reboot)
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10:05:23 mathieui (but I’m not a sysadmin /o\)
10:08:46 flow I can only recommend #systemd
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10:23:05 Shell it's dbus over a specific unix socket
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11:55:39 Guus (re systemd issues: having a unit file that's close to 10MB can introduce parsing/reloading problems. Who would've thought.)
11:55:55 jonas’ what
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11:56:02 mathieui what
11:56:35 Guus Some kind of automated provisioning tool is generating a service file. Apparently, there's a bit of a bug in the script that it uses.
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11:59:00 flow Guus, does systemd crash or does it look like a clean error exit? if the former, then you may have disovered a security issue \o/
11:59:44 Guus flow, I think it simply starts parsing, which takes a longer time than the utils that wait for it to finish find acceptable.
11:59:54 Guus it might be 'working' as intended, but very, very slow.
12:00:28 jonas’ flow, if you can inject arbitrary unit files, it’s game over already anyway
12:01:03 Alex If you are an XSF member and have not voted on the board & council elections yet then please take some time and do so. Only 1 day left
12:01:12 flow jonas’, not for users units, no?
12:01:15 mathieui Thanks for the reminder Alex!
12:01:19 flow jonas’, not for user units, no?
12:01:21 jonas’ flow, but that’s a separate systemd instance then
12:01:36 flow ahh ok, wasn't aware of that
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12:19:29 Kev Thanks for the reminder, Alex.
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14:54:52 Alex is there someone with admin permissions that can enable issues for memberot repo on GitHub? Or what you guys prefer to store those issues somewhere esle?
14:56:37 Kev Done
14:56:56 Alex Kev, 👍
14:57:00 Guus ah, I was just going to say that they _are_ enabled...
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14:58:41 Kev (I'm always a little wary of enabling issue tracking and the like, because there are some people who make it their mission to file noisy and valueless reports to sap everyone's time, but I don't see a reason to resist this if you want it :))
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15:03:38 jonas’ Kev, I’m sure your email provider has tools to deal with that
15:03:50 jonas’ I once made a sieve script to mark messages as read by github user name.
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18:01:40 Neustradamus Tickets are very important to follow and solve problems.
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18:37:11 SamWhited Is anyone in the ejabberd room? It's telling me that it's members only now
18:38:19 benharri i'm in there, didn't notice any change
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18:39:34 SamWhited hmm, reporting members only from every client I try to join from. I used to at least have voice or whatever to get around the captcha, but it's been a bit since I've had to join to ask a question or anything.
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18:44:51 SamWhited oooh, according to the internet this means you have to register a nick first. I don't think I have a single client that supports that. Oh well.
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18:48:19 benharri registering a nick sounds like an irc thing...
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18:55:24 SamWhited Turns out it just moved to a different server since the last time I joined, the internet and the error message are equally confusing :)
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19:01:32 benharri ya, it's on conference.process-one.net i think
19:01:54 lovetox SamWhited, i can join it fine
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19:02:23 SamWhited lovetox: the room changed; I was trying to join the old one which is still listed on the website
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