XSF Discussion - 2020-11-23

SamWhited: About: https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/992 Do not forget all my issues on GitHub (but hidden for the moment)... - https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/421 Neustradamus commented Mar 29, 2018 There are always old proposals in the inbox, normally old proposals are redirected to its XEP (like previously). Can you look for redirection? https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/account-management.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0376.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bidi.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0288.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks2.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0402.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cap.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0395.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/carbons.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/client-key.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0399.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/client-state-notification.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0352.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cmr.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0354.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/colors.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0392.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/decloak.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0276.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/distributedmuc.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0281.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dsig-design.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0274.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/dsig.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0285.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/fmuc.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0289.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/forwarding-delivery.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0297.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/incident-reporting.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/incident-reporting.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/isr-sasl2.html + https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/isr.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0397.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jet-omemo.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0396.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jet.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0391.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-ibb.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0261.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-nodes.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0278.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-rtp-mti.html + https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-rtp-codecs.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0266.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-s5b.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0260.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/jingle-zrtp.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0262.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mix.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0369.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/mobile.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0286.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/moved.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0283.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muji.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0272.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/outofband.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0265.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pep-vcard-conversion.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0398.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/problem-reporting.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0268.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-since.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0312.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/reputation.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0275.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/rsf.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0351.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sasl2.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0388.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sic.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0279.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sift.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0273.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/spim.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0287.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/sxe.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0284.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/thumbs.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0264.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/user-invite.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0401.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-selfping.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0410.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks-conversion.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0411.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/cs-2019.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0412.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/hash-recommendations.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0414.html https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/eax-car.html -> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0416.html

Of course it is not up-to-date, there are other after XEP-0416.

Lance> you can send action=execute any time. but it's the "idk what i want, you decide for me" option. so the responder decides what actually happens Only if you received a well-formed form.

c.f. https://github.com/xsf/xeps/commit/ed41edb80c0046da6df669e076809df69b31d75a#diff-9c653c70f4bab0ef21835dd2cf0e1f2874bfddab46b82132dc73cda1b86f5851 https://github.com/xsf/xeps/commit/fc14df1d8d49a065115cb4549e66e243db4b6ce3

Neustradamus: please don't copy paste walls of text

Ge0rG: The problem is that my ticket has been hidden by GitHub, the only possibility is to recall here ;)

Neustradamus, why was it hidden by github?

I cannot see it and I have privileges on that repo, that is weird

Neustradamus: no, the problem is you copy pasting a wall of text.

jonas’: maybe Neustradamus account got flagged?

Off-topic. but lots of smart people here: if systemctl commands time out all the time ("Failed to reload daemon: Connection timed out"), how to diagnose? I'm thinking that systemctl is a front-end to a service provider (systemd?) that it cannot reach? How would that communication occur normally?

run strace on it to see where the timeout really occurs

the communication between systemctl and systemd happens, on the lowest level, via unix sockets IIRC

possibly there is dbus involved though

Guus, tiemouts with systemd mean a reboot for me, usually, it’s too much to debug (also at this point a hard reboot is often required because you can’t systemctl reboot)

(but I’m not a sysadmin /o\)

I can only recommend #systemd

it's dbus over a specific unix socket

(re systemd issues: having a unit file that's close to 10MB can introduce parsing/reloading problems. Who would've thought.)

what

what

Some kind of automated provisioning tool is generating a service file. Apparently, there's a bit of a bug in the script that it uses.

Guus, does systemd crash or does it look like a clean error exit? if the former, then you may have disovered a security issue \o/

flow, I think it simply starts parsing, which takes a longer time than the utils that wait for it to finish find acceptable.

it might be 'working' as intended, but very, very slow.

flow, if you can inject arbitrary unit files, it’s game over already anyway

If you are an XSF member and have not voted on the board & council elections yet then please take some time and do so. Only 1 day left

Thanks for the reminder Alex!

jonas’, not for user units, no? ✏

flow, but that’s a separate systemd instance then

ahh ok, wasn't aware of that

Thanks for the reminder, Alex.

is there someone with admin permissions that can enable issues for memberot repo on GitHub? Or what you guys prefer to store those issues somewhere esle?

Done

Kev, 👍

ah, I was just going to say that they _are_ enabled...

(I'm always a little wary of enabling issue tracking and the like, because there are some people who make it their mission to file noisy and valueless reports to sap everyone's time, but I don't see a reason to resist this if you want it :))

Kev, I’m sure your email provider has tools to deal with that

I once made a sieve script to mark messages as read by github user name.

Tickets are very important to follow and solve problems.

Is anyone in the ejabberd room? It's telling me that it's members only now

i'm in there, didn't notice any change

hmm, reporting members only from every client I try to join from. I used to at least have voice or whatever to get around the captcha, but it's been a bit since I've had to join to ask a question or anything.

oooh, according to the internet this means you have to register a nick first. I don't think I have a single client that supports that. Oh well.

registering a nick sounds like an irc thing...

Turns out it just moved to a different server since the last time I joined, the internet and the error message are equally confusing :)

ya, it's on conference.process-one.net i think

SamWhited, i can join it fine

lovetox: the room changed; I was trying to join the old one which is still listed on the website

ah k