XSF Discussion - 2020-11-26

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  120. MattJ > WhatsApp is introducing a new way to verify if a report is reliable: receiving a copy of recent messages from that chat. WhatsApp never receives your messages without your permissions. If you decide to report a contact, you agree to forward a copy to WhatsApp of the recent messages from that chat.
  121. MattJ Interesting in the context of recent reporting discussions :)
  122. mdosch That's exactly what I wanted for our reporting too. 😃
  123. MattJ They need to do this because of E2EE
  124. mdosch We also have OTR spammers.
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  126. mdosch And giving the operator easy access to the spam messages rather than make him dig through MAM sounds also preferable if no e2ee is used.
  127. mdosch And giving the operator easy access to the spam messages rather than making him dig through MAM would imo also be preferable if no e2ee is used.
  128. jonas’ fun fact: with OTR, I could claim that a contact sent me all sorts of abominations and report them as evil :)
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  131. Guus Does anyone know of a set of automated tests for a server's BOSH endpoint?
  132. mdosch > fun fact: with OTR, I could claim that a contact sent me all sorts of abominations and report them as evil :) I trust my users 🙂
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  134. Guus > I trust my users 🙂 famous last words.
  135. mdosch 😁
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  246. ralphm 0. Welcome
  247. ralphm Hi!
  248. ralphm dwd, arc, MattJ, Seve
  249. MattJ o/
  250. arc O/
  251. Seve Greetings!
  252. ralphm I'll wait a little bit to see if Dave joins us
  253. arc Just a note that it's 6:30 am on Thanksgiving 🦃
  254. ralphm Yep, this will not be a long one.
  255. ralphm Meanwhile, I propose as agenda items for today: 1) Choose the Chair of the Board for the term 2020/2021 2) Appointment of Officers 3) Meeting timeslot
  256. ralphm Anything else?
  257. arc What officers are being appointed?
  258. ralphm Well, Treasurer and Secretary
  259. ralphm They are appointed for one year
  260. arc Gotcha.
  261. ralphm Also Executive Director, which has been vacant for a few years
  262. ralphm Ok, let's continue then.
  263. ralphm 1. Minute taker
  264. ralphm Last term, this was a difficult agenda item.
  265. ralphm This term, I'm proposing round-robin. Alphabetically on first name.
  266. ralphm I'll make the minutes of this meeting.
  267. arc I'd be happy to starting with A
  268. ralphm arc: even better.
  269. ralphm 2. Chair of the Board of Directors
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  271. ralphm As every term, Board needs to elect a Chair among the Directors.
  272. ralphm I prefer to have all Directors present for that, though.
  273. arc I'd literally be happy with any of us except myself
  274. intosi arc for president!
  275. ralphm Any nominations?
  276. dwd Hey, hi, sorry I'm late.
  277. ralphm hi dwd!
  278. arc And we have everyone.
  279. dwd I clearly need to put this one in my calendar, sorry.
  280. ralphm dwd: I've imported the XSF calendar in my Google Calendar, which helps tremendously
  281. arc I did not even know it was happening. My phone just bleeped when my name was mentioned.
  282. dwd I'm tempted to nominate Arc just to annoy him.
  283. ralphm Yeah, I could have sent out a notice
  284. ralphm Also, welcome dwd, arc. Thanks Guus, pep. for their efforts in the previous Board term.
  285. ralphm I suppose nominees do need to agree.
  286. ralphm Regardless, I'd be happy to do it another year.
  287. dwd I'm happy with that too, so if you'd like I'll give you a formal nomination.
  288. MattJ +1
  289. arc +1 if you're willing to do it another year
  290. ralphm Seve?
  291. Seve Sorry, my desktop client was frozen
  292. Seve +1 yes 🙂
  293. arc Dwd I'd think you'd rather have me at treasurer since being it the US makes it easier to deal with the bank.
  294. dwd ralphm, As a point of order, you started by saying a "Chair among the Directors", but that's not strictly true - the bylaws explicitly state that the officers need not be directors of the corporation.
  295. ralphm That's a good point.
  296. ralphm I stand corrected.
  297. dwd ralphm, If its any consolation, I think every Chair has been a member of the Board, and we forget this every year. :-)
  298. ralphm That said, counting happiness as an affirmative vote, it appears we have a unanimous decision.
  299. dwd Happiness is an affirmative vote in this case, yes.
  300. ralphm Thanks for your support!
  301. ralphm 3. Appointment of Officers
  302. ralphm As mentioned above, we have several other Officers who's term are expiring.
  303. ralphm I propose we ask the respective people (Alex for Secretary, stpeter for Treasurer) if they'd like to carry on for another year.
  304. dwd There is Executive Director as well to consider, isn't there?
  305. ralphm As for Executive Director, unless we want to revisit Board's earlier view on this, I think we can leave that as-is: vacant.
  306. ralphm Opinions?
  307. dwd I'm not sure we can have it vacant.
  308. arc I would second asking alex and stpeter if they'd like to continue
  309. MattJ Unless a candidate comes along, or someone wants to pick up the task of recruitment, I don't think we can (pretend to) spend any more time on it
  310. ralphm dwd: oh, that's interesting
  311. dwd §6.3, "Any vacancy in an office of the Corporation shall be filled by action of the Board of Directors."
  312. ralphm Ok. In that case we need to find a candidate. It might still be that we cannot find one.
  313. Seve If I recall correctly that's what happened last term (?)
  314. dwd Could we appoint someone as a temporary appointment?
  315. dwd I'm thinking, say, Matt if he'd be up for care-taking the position simply so it's not vacant.
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  317. ralphm Last time, I think we discussed appointing one of the Directors, but I'm not sure.
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  319. MattJ If we decide we need someone, I'm ok with filling the gap... I don't think it's a hard one to fill
  320. dwd It may be more useful to have someone who can, at least, put that on the bottom of their email signature from time to time, even if they do nothing further.
  321. dwd (More useful than a vacancy)
  322. ralphm Indeed.
  323. Seve Happy to hear that MattJ 🙂
  324. ralphm yay, too
  325. ralphm I motion we appoint MattJ as Executive Director of the XSF.
  326. dwd +1
  327. ralphm +1
  328. arc +1
  329. Seve +1
  330. ralphm MattJ, is "ok" a +0 or a +1?
  331. MattJ Up to you... +0 I guess :)
  332. ralphm ?
  333. ralphm In any case the motion carries.
  334. ralphm Congrats MattJ.
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  336. ralphm I'll send out an e-mail to Alex and Peter.
  337. ralphm 4. AOB
  338. ralphm Meeting time at the next agenda item.
  339. ralphm Anything else?
  340. dwd There was discussion about voting, and whether the memberbot matches the requirements of the bylaws.
  341. ralphm dwd: shall I add this to the agenda for next week?
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  343. dwd Yes, in the meantime I suggest we review the bylaws and compare it to the memberbot voting, and also consider if we want a different voting system (and therefore a bylaws change).
  344. ralphm Yep, and then we can also take into account the bug that was found.
  345. MattJ Different systems have come up in the past, but never been adopted... might be worth reviewing those discussions
  346. ralphm Cool.
  347. ralphm I'll add it
  348. ralphm more?
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  350. Seve None from me.
  351. ralphm 5. Date of Next (and beyond)
  352. arc I'd prefer a few hours later. And as you know, I'd prefer fixed to UTC if that works for everyone.
  353. ralphm No kidding
  354. dwd 1600Z, or later still?
  355. MattJ I generally have a hard cut-off at 1700Z in winter, 1600Z in summer
  356. arc This meeting started at 6:30am local time. I'd love it +3 hours. But I'm also aware that pushes it into european evening hours
  357. arc I'm a lot more awake at 9:30
  358. dwd I am usually the same as you, Matt, but I'd prefer if we could gain more interest and engagement from the other side of the pond, too.
  359. arc I can do 1700
  360. ralphm I'd I have a recurring meeting on Thursday 17:00 UTC
  361. MattJ If we must, I can probably do that on a Thursday or Friday, at least during the winter
  362. arc I can do any day of the week
  363. ralphm Any days that would ok for European evenings?
  364. arc Would everyone be ok Friday 1700?
  365. dwd Any day is OK (or equally awkward) for me.
  366. ralphm That generally works for me, yes
  367. MattJ Sounds like a plan then
  368. arc I'm also okay with changing that in the summer but we should decide ahead of time when we actually change for the summer
  369. Seve I'm not sure yet how it will work for me but it does look like we have a schedule now, so let's go with this 🙂
  370. ralphm Cool.
  371. ralphm 6. Close
  372. ralphm Thanks all! To a fruitful term. Cheers!
  373. dwd Thanks ralphm!
  374. Seve Thank you ralphm for chairing 🙂
  375. Seve Cheers!
  376. ralphm bangs gavel
  377. MattJ Thanks all!
  378. arc And Ralph if stpeter isn't ready to do treasurer for another year, I'd not looking for that responsibility, but I could take it on. The bank is only 1 hour off for me.
  379. arc I know he's been wanting to decrease his XSF responsibilities so I don't want him to feel overly pressured to keep on
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  381. ralphm noted, I'll await his response
  382. ralphm thanks for the offer
  383. ralphm MattJ, can you edit the XSF Calendar to our new meeting time, excluding tomorrow?
  384. MattJ The heavy responsibilities of ED begin
  385. MattJ I don't even know if I have access to that calendar, or where to find it
  386. MattJ or was it that ics file?
  387. ralphm The ics file
  388. MattJ Ok, I'll find it
  389. ralphm Oh wait
  390. ralphm Turns out it is a Google Calendar and I can edit it :-D
  391. MattJ Right, I was just coming to that conclusion too
  392. ralphm (for reference https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0?cid=NjR2M3ZzMTVxbGFsZ3F2MGo3cjk5aWttMWNAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ)
  393. MattJ Thanks
  394. ralphm Adjusted
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  398. arc Checking that the minutes were sent out correctly
  399. moparisthebest proposed headline for newsletter: XSF's ED problems solved without pills!
  400. arc Boo
  401. arc Note that I'm still in bed on my phone, so tapping the minutes into my Gmail app during the meeting, not entirely sure I did it right
  402. ralphm moparisthebest, super funny. But no.
  403. SamWhited Is that what all those emails I get are advertising? I thought they were just spam, turns out they just wanted volunteers for their organizations!
  404. ralphm :-D
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  443. emus ralphm: Again I recommending to have alternating meeting times 📈🗓
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  448. jonas’ ralphm, FTR, Friday (or any day) 17:00Z is a hard-no for me, so if the board-council-liason-person needs to regularly attend meetings that’s going to be a problem
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  455. ralphm Noted. We may shift the timeslot still. Let's see how it goes.
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  460. ralphm emus: while I appreciate members to join our meeting, and encourage people to speak up, we tend to optimize for when Board members can attend, and possibly liasons.
  461. jonas’ ralphm, obviously, if it’s ok for me to just read up on the meeting the next day, that’s fine. If there’s anything urgent we need to discuss between Board and Council, I’m sure we can schedule something.
  462. ralphm jonas’, right. I didn't consider the liason, so my apologies. We'll see how Friday EOD works for Europeans anyway.
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  490. emus ralphm: No - I mean yes, it came from my personal request once - however now I meant this for the relevant people now
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