> WhatsApp is introducing a new way to verify if a report is reliable: receiving a copy of recent messages from that chat. WhatsApp never receives your messages without your permissions. If you decide to report a contact, you agree to forward a copy to WhatsApp of the recent messages from that chat.
MattJ
Interesting in the context of recent reporting discussions :)
mdosch
That's exactly what I wanted for our reporting too. 😃
MattJ
They need to do this because of E2EE
mdosch
We also have OTR spammers.
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mdosch
And giving the operator easy access to the spam messages rather than make him dig through MAM sounds also preferable if no e2ee is used.✎
mdosch
And giving the operator easy access to the spam messages rather than making him dig through MAM would imo also be preferable if no e2ee is used. ✏
jonas’
fun fact: with OTR, I could claim that a contact sent me all sorts of abominations and report them as evil :)
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Guus
Does anyone know of a set of automated tests for a server's BOSH endpoint?
mdosch
> fun fact: with OTR, I could claim that a contact sent me all sorts of abominations and report them as evil :)
I trust my users 🙂
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Guus
> I trust my users 🙂
famous last words.
mdosch
😁
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ralphm
0. Welcome
ralphm
Hi!
ralphm
dwd, arc, MattJ, Seve
MattJ
o/
arc
O/
Seve
Greetings!
ralphm
I'll wait a little bit to see if Dave joins us
arc
Just a note that it's 6:30 am on Thanksgiving 🦃
ralphm
Yep, this will not be a long one.
ralphm
Meanwhile, I propose as agenda items for today:
1) Choose the Chair of the Board for the term 2020/2021
2) Appointment of Officers
3) Meeting timeslot
ralphm
Anything else?
arc
What officers are being appointed?
ralphm
Well, Treasurer and Secretary
ralphm
They are appointed for one year
arc
Gotcha.
ralphm
Also Executive Director, which has been vacant for a few years
ralphm
Ok, let's continue then.
ralphm
1. Minute taker
ralphm
Last term, this was a difficult agenda item.
ralphm
This term, I'm proposing round-robin. Alphabetically on first name.
ralphm
I'll make the minutes of this meeting.
arc
I'd be happy to starting with A
ralphm
arc: even better.
ralphm
2. Chair of the Board of Directors
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ralphm
As every term, Board needs to elect a Chair among the Directors.
ralphm
I prefer to have all Directors present for that, though.
arc
I'd literally be happy with any of us except myself
intosi
arc for president!
ralphm
Any nominations?
dwd
Hey, hi, sorry I'm late.
ralphm
hi dwd!
arc
And we have everyone.
dwd
I clearly need to put this one in my calendar, sorry.
ralphm
dwd: I've imported the XSF calendar in my Google Calendar, which helps tremendously
arc
I did not even know it was happening. My phone just bleeped when my name was mentioned.
dwd
I'm tempted to nominate Arc just to annoy him.
ralphm
Yeah, I could have sent out a notice
ralphm
Also, welcome dwd, arc. Thanks Guus, pep. for their efforts in the previous Board term.
ralphm
I suppose nominees do need to agree.
ralphm
Regardless, I'd be happy to do it another year.
dwd
I'm happy with that too, so if you'd like I'll give you a formal nomination.
MattJ
+1
arc
+1 if you're willing to do it another year
ralphm
Seve?
Seve
Sorry, my desktop client was frozen
Seve
+1 yes 🙂
arc
Dwd I'd think you'd rather have me at treasurer since being it the US makes it easier to deal with the bank.
dwd
ralphm, As a point of order, you started by saying a "Chair among the Directors", but that's not strictly true - the bylaws explicitly state that the officers need not be directors of the corporation.
ralphm
That's a good point.
ralphm
I stand corrected.
dwd
ralphm, If its any consolation, I think every Chair has been a member of the Board, and we forget this every year. :-)
ralphm
That said, counting happiness as an affirmative vote, it appears we have a unanimous decision.
dwd
Happiness is an affirmative vote in this case, yes.
ralphm
Thanks for your support!
ralphm
3. Appointment of Officers
ralphm
As mentioned above, we have several other Officers who's term are expiring.
ralphm
I propose we ask the respective people (Alex for Secretary, stpeter for Treasurer) if they'd like to carry on for another year.
dwd
There is Executive Director as well to consider, isn't there?
ralphm
As for Executive Director, unless we want to revisit Board's earlier view on this, I think we can leave that as-is: vacant.
ralphm
Opinions?
dwd
I'm not sure we can have it vacant.
arc
I would second asking alex and stpeter if they'd like to continue
MattJ
Unless a candidate comes along, or someone wants to pick up the task of recruitment, I don't think we can (pretend to) spend any more time on it
ralphm
dwd: oh, that's interesting
dwd
§6.3, "Any vacancy in an office of the Corporation shall be filled by action of the Board of Directors."
ralphm
Ok. In that case we need to find a candidate. It might still be that we cannot find one.
Seve
If I recall correctly that's what happened last term (?)
dwd
Could we appoint someone as a temporary appointment?
dwd
I'm thinking, say, Matt if he'd be up for care-taking the position simply so it's not vacant.
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ralphm
Last time, I think we discussed appointing one of the Directors, but I'm not sure.
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MattJ
If we decide we need someone, I'm ok with filling the gap... I don't think it's a hard one to fill
dwd
It may be more useful to have someone who can, at least, put that on the bottom of their email signature from time to time, even if they do nothing further.
dwd
(More useful than a vacancy)
ralphm
Indeed.
Seve
Happy to hear that MattJ 🙂
ralphm
yay, too
ralphm
I motion we appoint MattJ as Executive Director of the XSF.
dwd
+1
ralphm
+1
arc
+1
Seve
+1
ralphm
MattJ, is "ok" a +0 or a +1?
MattJ
Up to you... +0 I guess :)
ralphm
?
ralphm
In any case the motion carries.
ralphm
Congrats MattJ.
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ralphm
I'll send out an e-mail to Alex and Peter.
ralphm
4. AOB
ralphm
Meeting time at the next agenda item.
ralphm
Anything else?
dwd
There was discussion about voting, and whether the memberbot matches the requirements of the bylaws.
ralphm
dwd: shall I add this to the agenda for next week?
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dwd
Yes, in the meantime I suggest we review the bylaws and compare it to the memberbot voting, and also consider if we want a different voting system (and therefore a bylaws change).
ralphm
Yep, and then we can also take into account the bug that was found.
MattJ
Different systems have come up in the past, but never been adopted... might be worth reviewing those discussions
ralphm
Cool.
ralphm
I'll add it
ralphm
more?
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Seve
None from me.
ralphm
5. Date of Next (and beyond)
arc
I'd prefer a few hours later. And as you know, I'd prefer fixed to UTC if that works for everyone.
ralphm
No kidding
dwd
1600Z, or later still?
MattJ
I generally have a hard cut-off at 1700Z in winter, 1600Z in summer
arc
This meeting started at 6:30am local time. I'd love it +3 hours. But I'm also aware that pushes it into european evening hours
arc
I'm a lot more awake at 9:30
dwd
I am usually the same as you, Matt, but I'd prefer if we could gain more interest and engagement from the other side of the pond, too.
arc
I can do 1700
ralphm
I'd I have a recurring meeting on Thursday 17:00 UTC
MattJ
If we must, I can probably do that on a Thursday or Friday, at least during the winter
arc
I can do any day of the week
ralphm
Any days that would ok for European evenings?
arc
Would everyone be ok Friday 1700?
dwd
Any day is OK (or equally awkward) for me.
ralphm
That generally works for me, yes
MattJ
Sounds like a plan then
arc
I'm also okay with changing that in the summer but we should decide ahead of time when we actually change for the summer
Seve
I'm not sure yet how it will work for me but it does look like we have a schedule now, so let's go with this 🙂
ralphm
Cool.
ralphm
6. Close
ralphm
Thanks all! To a fruitful term. Cheers!
dwd
Thanks ralphm!
Seve
Thank you ralphm for chairing 🙂
Seve
Cheers!
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MattJ
Thanks all!
arc
And Ralph if stpeter isn't ready to do treasurer for another year, I'd not looking for that responsibility, but I could take it on. The bank is only 1 hour off for me.
arc
I know he's been wanting to decrease his XSF responsibilities so I don't want him to feel overly pressured to keep on
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ralphm
noted, I'll await his response
ralphm
thanks for the offer
ralphm
MattJ, can you edit the XSF Calendar to our new meeting time, excluding tomorrow?
MattJ
The heavy responsibilities of ED begin
MattJ
I don't even know if I have access to that calendar, or where to find it
MattJ
or was it that ics file?
ralphm
The ics file
MattJ
Ok, I'll find it
ralphm
Oh wait
ralphm
Turns out it is a Google Calendar and I can edit it :-D
proposed headline for newsletter: XSF's ED problems solved without pills!
arc
Boo
arc
Note that I'm still in bed on my phone, so tapping the minutes into my Gmail app during the meeting, not entirely sure I did it right
ralphm
moparisthebest, super funny. But no.
SamWhited
Is that what all those emails I get are advertising? I thought they were just spam, turns out they just wanted volunteers for their organizations!
ralphm
:-D
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emus
ralphm: Again I recommending to have alternating meeting times 📈🗓
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jonas’
ralphm, FTR, Friday (or any day) 17:00Z is a hard-no for me, so if the board-council-liason-person needs to regularly attend meetings that’s going to be a problem
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ralphm
Noted. We may shift the timeslot still. Let's see how it goes.
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ralphm
emus: while I appreciate members to join our meeting, and encourage people to speak up, we tend to optimize for when Board members can attend, and possibly liasons.
jonas’
ralphm, obviously, if it’s ok for me to just read up on the meeting the next day, that’s fine. If there’s anything urgent we need to discuss between Board and Council, I’m sure we can schedule something.
ralphm
jonas’, right. I didn't consider the liason, so my apologies. We'll see how Friday EOD works for Europeans anyway.
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emus
ralphm: No - I mean yes, it came from my personal request once - however now I meant this for the relevant people now