MattJ> WhatsApp is introducing a new way to verify if a report is reliable: receiving a copy of recent messages from that chat. WhatsApp never receives your messages without your permissions. If you decide to report a contact, you agree to forward a copy to WhatsApp of the recent messages from that chat.
MattJInteresting in the context of recent reporting discussions :)
mdoschThat's exactly what I wanted for our reporting too. 😃
MattJThey need to do this because of E2EE
mdoschWe also have OTR spammers.
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mdoschAnd giving the operator easy access to the spam messages rather than make him dig through MAM sounds also preferable if no e2ee is used.
mdoschAnd giving the operator easy access to the spam messages rather than making him dig through MAM would imo also be preferable if no e2ee is used.
jonas’fun fact: with OTR, I could claim that a contact sent me all sorts of abominations and report them as evil :)
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GuusDoes anyone know of a set of automated tests for a server's BOSH endpoint?
mdosch> fun fact: with OTR, I could claim that a contact sent me all sorts of abominations and report them as evil :)
I trust my users 🙂
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Guus> I trust my users 🙂
famous last words.
mdosch😁
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ralphmbangs gavel
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ralphm0. Welcome
ralphmHi!
ralphmdwd, arc, MattJ, Seve
MattJo/
arcO/
SeveGreetings!
ralphmI'll wait a little bit to see if Dave joins us
arcJust a note that it's 6:30 am on Thanksgiving 🦃
ralphmYep, this will not be a long one.
ralphmMeanwhile, I propose as agenda items for today:
1) Choose the Chair of the Board for the term 2020/2021
2) Appointment of Officers
3) Meeting timeslot
ralphmAnything else?
arcWhat officers are being appointed?
ralphmWell, Treasurer and Secretary
ralphmThey are appointed for one year
arcGotcha.
ralphmAlso Executive Director, which has been vacant for a few years
ralphmOk, let's continue then.
ralphm1. Minute taker
ralphmLast term, this was a difficult agenda item.
ralphmThis term, I'm proposing round-robin. Alphabetically on first name.
ralphmI'll make the minutes of this meeting.
arcI'd be happy to starting with A
ralphmarc: even better.
ralphm2. Chair of the Board of Directors
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ralphmAs every term, Board needs to elect a Chair among the Directors.
ralphmI prefer to have all Directors present for that, though.
arcI'd literally be happy with any of us except myself
intosiarc for president!
ralphmAny nominations?
dwdHey, hi, sorry I'm late.
ralphmhi dwd!
arcAnd we have everyone.
dwdI clearly need to put this one in my calendar, sorry.
ralphmdwd: I've imported the XSF calendar in my Google Calendar, which helps tremendously
arcI did not even know it was happening. My phone just bleeped when my name was mentioned.
dwdI'm tempted to nominate Arc just to annoy him.
ralphmYeah, I could have sent out a notice
ralphmAlso, welcome dwd, arc. Thanks Guus, pep. for their efforts in the previous Board term.
ralphmI suppose nominees do need to agree.
ralphmRegardless, I'd be happy to do it another year.
dwdI'm happy with that too, so if you'd like I'll give you a formal nomination.
MattJ+1
arc+1 if you're willing to do it another year
ralphmSeve?
SeveSorry, my desktop client was frozen
Seve+1 yes 🙂
arcDwd I'd think you'd rather have me at treasurer since being it the US makes it easier to deal with the bank.
dwdralphm, As a point of order, you started by saying a "Chair among the Directors", but that's not strictly true - the bylaws explicitly state that the officers need not be directors of the corporation.
ralphmThat's a good point.
ralphmI stand corrected.
dwdralphm, If its any consolation, I think every Chair has been a member of the Board, and we forget this every year. :-)
ralphmThat said, counting happiness as an affirmative vote, it appears we have a unanimous decision.
dwdHappiness is an affirmative vote in this case, yes.
ralphmThanks for your support!
ralphm3. Appointment of Officers
ralphmAs mentioned above, we have several other Officers who's term are expiring.
ralphmI propose we ask the respective people (Alex for Secretary, stpeter for Treasurer) if they'd like to carry on for another year.
dwdThere is Executive Director as well to consider, isn't there?
ralphmAs for Executive Director, unless we want to revisit Board's earlier view on this, I think we can leave that as-is: vacant.
ralphmOpinions?
dwdI'm not sure we can have it vacant.
arcI would second asking alex and stpeter if they'd like to continue
MattJUnless a candidate comes along, or someone wants to pick up the task of recruitment, I don't think we can (pretend to) spend any more time on it
ralphmdwd: oh, that's interesting
dwd§6.3, "Any vacancy in an office of the Corporation shall be filled by action of the Board of Directors."
ralphmOk. In that case we need to find a candidate. It might still be that we cannot find one.
SeveIf I recall correctly that's what happened last term (?)
dwdCould we appoint someone as a temporary appointment?
dwdI'm thinking, say, Matt if he'd be up for care-taking the position simply so it's not vacant.
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ralphmLast time, I think we discussed appointing one of the Directors, but I'm not sure.
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MattJIf we decide we need someone, I'm ok with filling the gap... I don't think it's a hard one to fill
dwdIt may be more useful to have someone who can, at least, put that on the bottom of their email signature from time to time, even if they do nothing further.
dwd(More useful than a vacancy)
ralphmIndeed.
SeveHappy to hear that MattJ 🙂
ralphmyay, too
ralphmI motion we appoint MattJ as Executive Director of the XSF.
dwd+1
ralphm+1
arc+1
Seve+1
ralphmMattJ, is "ok" a +0 or a +1?
MattJUp to you... +0 I guess :)
ralphm?
ralphmIn any case the motion carries.
ralphmCongrats MattJ.
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ralphmI'll send out an e-mail to Alex and Peter.
ralphm4. AOB
ralphmMeeting time at the next agenda item.
ralphmAnything else?
dwdThere was discussion about voting, and whether the memberbot matches the requirements of the bylaws.
ralphmdwd: shall I add this to the agenda for next week?
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dwdYes, in the meantime I suggest we review the bylaws and compare it to the memberbot voting, and also consider if we want a different voting system (and therefore a bylaws change).
ralphmYep, and then we can also take into account the bug that was found.
MattJDifferent systems have come up in the past, but never been adopted... might be worth reviewing those discussions
ralphmCool.
ralphmI'll add it
ralphmmore?
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SeveNone from me.
ralphm5. Date of Next (and beyond)
arcI'd prefer a few hours later. And as you know, I'd prefer fixed to UTC if that works for everyone.
ralphmNo kidding
dwd1600Z, or later still?
MattJI generally have a hard cut-off at 1700Z in winter, 1600Z in summer
arcThis meeting started at 6:30am local time. I'd love it +3 hours. But I'm also aware that pushes it into european evening hours
arcI'm a lot more awake at 9:30
dwdI am usually the same as you, Matt, but I'd prefer if we could gain more interest and engagement from the other side of the pond, too.
arcI can do 1700
ralphmI'd I have a recurring meeting on Thursday 17:00 UTC
MattJIf we must, I can probably do that on a Thursday or Friday, at least during the winter
arcI can do any day of the week
ralphmAny days that would ok for European evenings?
arcWould everyone be ok Friday 1700?
dwdAny day is OK (or equally awkward) for me.
ralphmThat generally works for me, yes
MattJSounds like a plan then
arcI'm also okay with changing that in the summer but we should decide ahead of time when we actually change for the summer
SeveI'm not sure yet how it will work for me but it does look like we have a schedule now, so let's go with this 🙂
ralphmCool.
ralphm6. Close
ralphmThanks all! To a fruitful term. Cheers!
dwdThanks ralphm!
SeveThank you ralphm for chairing 🙂
SeveCheers!
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MattJThanks all!
arcAnd Ralph if stpeter isn't ready to do treasurer for another year, I'd not looking for that responsibility, but I could take it on. The bank is only 1 hour off for me.
arcI know he's been wanting to decrease his XSF responsibilities so I don't want him to feel overly pressured to keep on
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ralphmnoted, I'll await his response
ralphmthanks for the offer
ralphmMattJ, can you edit the XSF Calendar to our new meeting time, excluding tomorrow?
MattJThe heavy responsibilities of ED begin
MattJI don't even know if I have access to that calendar, or where to find it
MattJor was it that ics file?
ralphmThe ics file
MattJOk, I'll find it
ralphmOh wait
ralphmTurns out it is a Google Calendar and I can edit it :-D
MattJRight, I was just coming to that conclusion too
arcChecking that the minutes were sent out correctly
moparisthebestproposed headline for newsletter: XSF's ED problems solved without pills!
arcBoo
arcNote that I'm still in bed on my phone, so tapping the minutes into my Gmail app during the meeting, not entirely sure I did it right
ralphmmoparisthebest, super funny. But no.
SamWhitedIs that what all those emails I get are advertising? I thought they were just spam, turns out they just wanted volunteers for their organizations!
ralphm:-D
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emusralphm: Again I recommending to have alternating meeting times 📈🗓
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jonas’ralphm, FTR, Friday (or any day) 17:00Z is a hard-no for me, so if the board-council-liason-person needs to regularly attend meetings that’s going to be a problem
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ralphmNoted. We may shift the timeslot still. Let's see how it goes.
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ralphmemus: while I appreciate members to join our meeting, and encourage people to speak up, we tend to optimize for when Board members can attend, and possibly liasons.
jonas’ralphm, obviously, if it’s ok for me to just read up on the meeting the next day, that’s fine. If there’s anything urgent we need to discuss between Board and Council, I’m sure we can schedule something.
ralphmjonas’, right. I didn't consider the liason, so my apologies. We'll see how Friday EOD works for Europeans anyway.
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emusralphm: No - I mean yes, it came from my personal request once - however now I meant this for the relevant people now