GuusI like how Google keeps insisting that I'm looking for a Vietnamese fried octopus dish, whenever I search for MUC MAM.
Guusthe bubble is failing.
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GuusClients determine that a particular inbound message is a MUC PM by looking at it's type, right? Regular MUC messages have type='groupchat', while PMs have not?
ZashPMs look like regular chat messages, which makes everything complicated if you don't know they come from a MUC
Zashunless the MUC stamps them with that <{muc}x/> tag
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Ge0rGGuus: yes, and maybe one day every implementation will add that x tag
GuusIn XEP-0045, this is specified:
> If the room is non-anonymous, the service MAY include an Extended Stanza Addressing (XEP-0033) [16] element that notes the original full JID of the sender by means of the "ofrom" address type:
This is limited to messages retrieved from history, though. MUC MAM doesn't reference this at all, but I'm thinking it'd be equally desirable there? Is there harm in slapping it onto live messages (for non-anon rooms), even if clients get to know about real JIDs through presence information?
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ZashIt's redundant since this JIDs are available in presence/{muc#user}x/item/@jid
ZashIt's redundant since JIDs are available in presence/{muc#user}x/item/@jid in non-anon rooms
ZashIn semi-anon rooms you'd rather use occupant-id
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GuusI can see the redundancy - but I'm wondering if it'd hurt (apart from the obvious added weight to the stanzas).
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Ge0rGI wouldn't touch 0033 with a pole, it's based on RFC 822
Ge0rGAlso we had a nice security issue in 0313 where the server wasn't required to remove impersonation attacks from stored stanza
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ralphmHaving a so-called shut-it-down-day, won't make it to the board meeting today.
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dwdralphm, Is there an Agenda somewhere?
ralphmOther than Trello, no
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arcCould be a short meeting then
dwdarc, You want to chair?
arcSure why not. Do we even have quorum?
dwdOnly if we have MattJ or Seve.
arcSeve, MattJ?
MattJHey
arcHey MattJ if I'm not mistaken it's your turn to do minutes
MattJOk
dwdMattJ, On the plus side, should be an easy one.
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MattJ:)
arcbangs gavel
arcRoll call
dwdMe!
arcSeve are you present?
arcFor record, Ralph said he couldn't be here today
SeveI am
arcAnd MattJ is here doing minutes?
MattJYep
arcOk. Since there are no tabled items from last week I think there's only one agenda item, but open call for others
arcFossdem and the devroom
dwdarc, ralphm usually leads on FOSDEM etc, so that might be a problem discussing it.
SeveThought we left that for SCAM?
SeveAt least I would say last Board decided to leave this topic to SCAM
dwdYes, but IIRC, ralphm is our FOSDEM contact.
arcI'm happy to leave it for SCAM. As much as I hate that acronym
MattJ:)
arcI still think we should have a vote for this year to delegate that to SCAM, get the ball rolling
arcBut are there any other topics to discuss this week?
dwdNot that I know of.
dwd(I mean, I do have things I'd like us to discuss, but I want to write a brief on them first)
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arcOk then let's do this real fast
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arc1. Fosdem and the devroom
arcI motion to officially delicate this to SCAM
MattJSeconded, +1
dwd+1
dwdThough I think you mean "delegate".
arc+1 deligate yes
Seve+1
arcPasses.
arcWith no other business, +1 week
arcDwd do you want to put your agenda item in for next week?
dwdarc, No, I need to write the brief first. So once I've written that we'll worry about an agenda item for it.
arcOk
arcbangs gavel
arcDone in 15
MattJThanks o/
SeveHave a good weekend everyone 🙂
dwdThanks, arc.
arcI'm guessing we'll likely skip the week after next for the holidays
arcUnless we want to have it on Christmas morning 😋
arcAnd sorry for typos my phone's autocorrect gets in the way sometimes, especially since I added Norwegian to the language dictionary