XSF Discussion - 2020-12-11


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  254. Guus I like how Google keeps insisting that I'm looking for a Vietnamese fried octopus dish, whenever I search for MUC MAM.
  255. Guus the bubble is failing.
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  257. Guus Clients determine that a particular inbound message is a MUC PM by looking at it's type, right? Regular MUC messages have type='groupchat', while PMs have not?
  258. Zash PMs look like regular chat messages, which makes everything complicated if you don't know they come from a MUC
  259. Zash unless the MUC stamps them with that <{muc}x/> tag
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  274. Ge0rG Guus: yes, and maybe one day every implementation will add that x tag
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  281. Guus where's that tag specified?
  282. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#privatemessage
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  284. Guus ah, missed it. thanx
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  289. Guus In XEP-0045, this is specified: > If the room is non-anonymous, the service MAY include an Extended Stanza Addressing (XEP-0033) [16] element that notes the original full JID of the sender by means of the "ofrom" address type: This is limited to messages retrieved from history, though. MUC MAM doesn't reference this at all, but I'm thinking it'd be equally desirable there? Is there harm in slapping it onto live messages (for non-anon rooms), even if clients get to know about real JIDs through presence information?
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  291. Zash It's redundant since this JIDs are available in presence/{muc#user}x/item/@jid
  292. Zash It's redundant since JIDs are available in presence/{muc#user}x/item/@jid in non-anon rooms
  293. Zash In semi-anon rooms you'd rather use occupant-id
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  297. Guus I can see the redundancy - but I'm wondering if it'd hurt (apart from the obvious added weight to the stanzas).
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  319. Ge0rG I wouldn't touch 0033 with a pole, it's based on RFC 822
  320. Ge0rG Also we had a nice security issue in 0313 where the server wasn't required to remove impersonation attacks from stored stanza
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  342. ralphm Having a so-called shut-it-down-day, won't make it to the board meeting today.
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  345. dwd ralphm, Is there an Agenda somewhere?
  346. ralphm Other than Trello, no
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  350. arc Could be a short meeting then
  351. dwd arc, You want to chair?
  352. arc Sure why not. Do we even have quorum?
  353. dwd Only if we have MattJ or Seve.
  354. arc Seve, MattJ?
  355. MattJ Hey
  356. arc Hey MattJ if I'm not mistaken it's your turn to do minutes
  357. MattJ Ok
  358. dwd MattJ, On the plus side, should be an easy one.
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  360. MattJ :)
  361. arc bangs gavel
  362. arc Roll call
  363. dwd Me!
  364. arc Seve are you present?
  365. arc For record, Ralph said he couldn't be here today
  366. Seve I am
  367. arc And MattJ is here doing minutes?
  368. MattJ Yep
  369. arc Ok. Since there are no tabled items from last week I think there's only one agenda item, but open call for others
  370. arc Fossdem and the devroom
  371. dwd arc, ralphm usually leads on FOSDEM etc, so that might be a problem discussing it.
  372. Seve Thought we left that for SCAM?
  373. Seve At least I would say last Board decided to leave this topic to SCAM
  374. dwd Yes, but IIRC, ralphm is our FOSDEM contact.
  375. arc I'm happy to leave it for SCAM. As much as I hate that acronym
  376. MattJ :)
  377. arc I still think we should have a vote for this year to delegate that to SCAM, get the ball rolling
  378. arc But are there any other topics to discuss this week?
  379. dwd Not that I know of.
  380. dwd (I mean, I do have things I'd like us to discuss, but I want to write a brief on them first)
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  382. arc Ok then let's do this real fast
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  384. arc 1. Fosdem and the devroom
  385. arc I motion to officially delicate this to SCAM
  386. MattJ Seconded, +1
  387. dwd +1
  388. dwd Though I think you mean "delegate".
  389. arc +1 deligate yes
  390. Seve +1
  391. arc Passes.
  392. arc With no other business, +1 week
  393. arc Dwd do you want to put your agenda item in for next week?
  394. dwd arc, No, I need to write the brief first. So once I've written that we'll worry about an agenda item for it.
  395. arc Ok
  396. arc bangs gavel
  397. arc Done in 15
  398. MattJ Thanks o/
  399. Seve Have a good weekend everyone 🙂
  400. dwd Thanks, arc.
  401. arc I'm guessing we'll likely skip the week after next for the holidays
  402. arc Unless we want to have it on Christmas morning 😋
  403. arc And sorry for typos my phone's autocorrect gets in the way sometimes, especially since I added Norwegian to the language dictionary
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