XSF Discussion - 2020-12-11


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  254. Guus

    I like how Google keeps insisting that I'm looking for a Vietnamese fried octopus dish, whenever I search for MUC MAM.

  255. Guus

    the bubble is failing.

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  257. Guus

    Clients determine that a particular inbound message is a MUC PM by looking at it's type, right? Regular MUC messages have type='groupchat', while PMs have not?

  258. Zash

    PMs look like regular chat messages, which makes everything complicated if you don't know they come from a MUC

  259. Zash

    unless the MUC stamps them with that <{muc}x/> tag

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  274. Ge0rG

    Guus: yes, and maybe one day every implementation will add that x tag

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  281. Guus

    where's that tag specified?

  282. Zash

    https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#privatemessage

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  284. Guus

    ah, missed it. thanx

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  289. Guus

    In XEP-0045, this is specified: > If the room is non-anonymous, the service MAY include an Extended Stanza Addressing (XEP-0033) [16] element that notes the original full JID of the sender by means of the "ofrom" address type: This is limited to messages retrieved from history, though. MUC MAM doesn't reference this at all, but I'm thinking it'd be equally desirable there? Is there harm in slapping it onto live messages (for non-anon rooms), even if clients get to know about real JIDs through presence information?

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  291. Zash

    It's redundant since this JIDs are available in presence/{muc#user}x/item/@jid

  292. Zash

    It's redundant since JIDs are available in presence/{muc#user}x/item/@jid in non-anon rooms

  293. Zash

    In semi-anon rooms you'd rather use occupant-id

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  297. Guus

    I can see the redundancy - but I'm wondering if it'd hurt (apart from the obvious added weight to the stanzas).

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  319. Ge0rG

    I wouldn't touch 0033 with a pole, it's based on RFC 822

  320. Ge0rG

    Also we had a nice security issue in 0313 where the server wasn't required to remove impersonation attacks from stored stanza

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  342. ralphm

    Having a so-called shut-it-down-day, won't make it to the board meeting today.

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  345. dwd

    ralphm, Is there an Agenda somewhere?

  346. ralphm

    Other than Trello, no

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  350. arc

    Could be a short meeting then

  351. dwd

    arc, You want to chair?

  352. arc

    Sure why not. Do we even have quorum?

  353. dwd

    Only if we have MattJ or Seve.

  354. arc

    Seve, MattJ?

  355. MattJ

    Hey

  356. arc

    Hey MattJ if I'm not mistaken it's your turn to do minutes

  357. MattJ

    Ok

  358. dwd

    MattJ, On the plus side, should be an easy one.

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  360. MattJ

    :)

  361. arc bangs gavel

  362. arc

    Roll call

  363. dwd

    Me!

  364. arc

    Seve are you present?

  365. arc

    For record, Ralph said he couldn't be here today

  366. Seve

    I am

  367. arc

    And MattJ is here doing minutes?

  368. MattJ

    Yep

  369. arc

    Ok. Since there are no tabled items from last week I think there's only one agenda item, but open call for others

  370. arc

    Fossdem and the devroom

  371. dwd

    arc, ralphm usually leads on FOSDEM etc, so that might be a problem discussing it.

  372. Seve

    Thought we left that for SCAM?

  373. Seve

    At least I would say last Board decided to leave this topic to SCAM

  374. dwd

    Yes, but IIRC, ralphm is our FOSDEM contact.

  375. arc

    I'm happy to leave it for SCAM. As much as I hate that acronym

  376. MattJ

    :)

  377. arc

    I still think we should have a vote for this year to delegate that to SCAM, get the ball rolling

  378. arc

    But are there any other topics to discuss this week?

  379. dwd

    Not that I know of.

  380. dwd

    (I mean, I do have things I'd like us to discuss, but I want to write a brief on them first)

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  382. arc

    Ok then let's do this real fast

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  384. arc

    1. Fosdem and the devroom

  385. arc

    I motion to officially delicate this to SCAM

  386. MattJ

    Seconded, +1

  387. dwd

    +1

  388. dwd

    Though I think you mean "delegate".

  389. arc

    +1 deligate yes

  390. Seve

    +1

  391. arc

    Passes.

  392. arc

    With no other business, +1 week

  393. arc

    Dwd do you want to put your agenda item in for next week?

  394. dwd

    arc, No, I need to write the brief first. So once I've written that we'll worry about an agenda item for it.

  395. arc

    Ok

  396. arc bangs gavel

  397. arc

    Done in 15

  398. MattJ

    Thanks o/

  399. Seve

    Have a good weekend everyone 🙂

  400. dwd

    Thanks, arc.

  401. arc

    I'm guessing we'll likely skip the week after next for the holidays

  402. arc

    Unless we want to have it on Christmas morning 😋

  403. arc

    And sorry for typos my phone's autocorrect gets in the way sometimes, especially since I added Norwegian to the language dictionary

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