XSF Discussion - 2020-12-18


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  8. Neustradamus Good news, ejabberd, the last big XMPP server has now all SCRAM: - https://www.process-one.net/blog/ejabberd-20-12/ - https://www.reddit.com/r/xmpp/comments/kewccb/ejabberd_2012_processone/
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  181. Zash Must you spam this in every friggen channel?
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  188. jonas’ Neustradamus, cool, now think of a good way to make use of that because migration is actually impossible.
  189. jonas’ I’m sure you thought about that before nagging every developer into spending time on implementing that.
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  227. Guus Can someone suggest a font that has good Unicode coverage, that has a open source style license?
  228. Guus (oh and looks nice too 😉 )
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  232. jonas’ Guus, the Noto family is nice imo
  233. jonas’ other than that, DejaVu (but only Sans or Mono, I don’t like the normal serif)
  234. Guus Thanks jonas’ - I was just looking at Noto
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  236. jonas’ also check google fonts, lots of stuff there, need to check the license of course
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  265. Neustradamus Real announcement is important ;)
  266. Neustradamus When I speak about your projects, no problem guys ;)
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  271. Neustradamus jonas’: Please note that I have already given the strategy to devs.
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  273. Holger All clients and servers implement SCRAM-SHA-9999 today, problem solved.
  274. intosi Done. Solves a lot of other issues as well, my roster is now empty.
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  297. Holger Oh and all users re-set their password, of course. Today evening.
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  437. vanitasvitae https://social.uhoreg.ca/display/11447bcd-115f-dd01-012f-58e085780932 Apparently there are some MLS experiments happening over at the matrix
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  441. uhoreg extremely early stages
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  444. Zash Bad gateway it tells me :|
  445. uhoreg The server it's on is kind of terrible. Here's the image from the post: https://synapse.uhoreg.ca/_matrix/media/r0/download/uhoreg.ca/LgeHUUScConcPTMXcdKcobow
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  447. Zash What's the state of MLS implementations? Are there libraries yet?
  448. vanitasvitae There are some in go I guess?
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  450. uhoreg MLS itself isn't finalized, but it's around last-call stage. There are a few libraries in different languages (Rust, C++, TypeScript (the one I'm working on)). I don't think there has been any interoperability testing on the latest drafts yet.
  451. uhoreg Oh, there is one in Go too. https://github.com/mlswg/mls-implementations/blob/master/implementation_list.md is the list of implementations.
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  454. uhoreg For Matrix, we won't be able to use MLS as-is, because it depends on a central server for the room, so we'll need to figure out how to modify it. But it might be doable for XMPP.
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  456. Zash Long since I glanced at MLS, I was under the impression that PEP would be enough.
  457. Zash If not, and it requires storage attached to the room, then MIX should be able to do it.
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  462. Zash Given https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mls-architecture-05#section-1 says > intended to be embedded in a concrete protocol such as XMPP I'd assume it to be possible
  463. uhoreg I don't think it should require storage attached to rooms. It requires each user to publish a set of "init keys", which in Matrix we can use (almost) the same mechanism for one-time-keys in olm, and I believe OMEMO has something similar. It also requires some mechanism to make sure that handshake messages in the room don't collide.
  464. Zash Unless olm diverged waaaaaaay furher from axolotl than omemo, similar principles should apply.
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  475. edhelas What is MLS ?
  476. MattJ The IETF's group end-to-end encryption standard
  477. edhelas Is it close to Axolotl/omemo ?
  478. Zash I believe overall goals are not too far apart, tho I think MLS aims for better scalability
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  481. edhelas Okay. :)
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  483. Zash https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-mls-architecture-05 might be of interest
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  501. deuill Might even lead to E2E encryption across platforms some day.
  502. edhelas so Moxie is planning to open Signal, implement the IETF standard and allow connection with other protocols ? 🤔
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  504. Zash No, completely impossible for </> to interop with {""} !!!!111!eleventy
  505. deuill So long is it moves the ecosystem amirite
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  534. dwd MLS could be done badly with PEP. It's fundamentally a multiparty key derivation protocol, so like OMEMO but with more than two parties involved.
  535. dwd (When I say badly, I mean like OMEMO is done now. Functional, but lots of ikky.)
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