XSF Discussion - 2021-01-02


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  148. Daniel Link Mauve: very cool. Good job
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  395. Link Mauve Hi, with the XSF infra, what would be the best way to run a script approximately once a day, with persistent cache and persistent artefacts exposed to the web?
  396. Link Mauve My current poc is a web app, but it could perfectly generate static files anyway.
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  398. Zash Stuff it in Docker 🤷️
  399. MattJ Yes
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  401. Link Mauve I have never done anything with Docker, but I’ll try to do that. :)
  402. MattJ Enjoy!
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  446. lskdjf Link Mauve, nice work with the client/lib info alongside the xeps 🙂 One remark: I think it's not a great idea to try and squeeze all (or any, really) supporting client/server/lib logos into the XEP overview. For popular XEPs there are lots of supporting clients and servers (more than are currently included), and displaying each logo in the XEP-row requires a considerable amount of space. I'd suggest to either only display the supporting clients/servers/lib on the XEP page or at least to make it possible to show/hide them on the overview page and to hide them by default.
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  448. mathieui yes, I think it would make sense to have it available but not displayed by default in the index (imo individual XEPs are fine though)
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  450. Link Mauve lskdjf, indeed, that’s a good point.
  451. Link Mauve How would you do that, only pick a (random?) subset?
  452. lskdjf maybe I should clarify the brackets in my last sentence 😀 The hiding/not displaying was only about the overview page. Showing them in the XEP page is fine.
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  454. mathieui Link Mauve, maybe showing the number instead of the list
  455. mathieui so it gives at least some information
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  457. mathieui (I’m not an UX designer so don’t take my word too seriously though)
  458. Link Mauve I think I have something which looks like a working docker thingy now.
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  469. lskdjf > How would you do that, only pick a (random?) subset? I don't think a random subset would be very helpful, as it doesn't really inform you about the popular xeps anymore (which is the main usecase of displaying it all, I guess?). I think hiding the full set of client/server logos from the overview by default would be a good idea. As an alternative I also like mathieui's suggestion of displaying the total number of implementations instead of individual logos, as it provides a sufficiently good (and short) overview.
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  472. emus > lskdjf wrote: > Link Mauve, nice work with the client/lib info alongside the xeps 🙂 One remark: I think it's not a great idea to try and squeeze all (or any, really) supporting client/server/lib logos into the XEP overview. For popular XEPs there are lots of supporting clients and servers (more than are currently included), and displaying each logo in the XEP-row requires a considerable amount of space. I'd suggest to either only display the supporting clients/servers/lib on the XEP page or at least to make it possible to show/hide them on the overview page and to hide them by default. Maybe the client column could just link to a subpage with all clients supporting that XEP. Or a by default collapsed view Link Mauve:
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  475. lskdjf > Maybe the client column could just link to a subpage with all clients supporting that XEP. the XEP page contains a table with all supporting clients already. I don't think it needs yet another page for that.
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  477. jonas’ lskdjf, does it?
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  479. jonas’ ah in that beta
  480. lskdjf jonas’, in Link Mauve's version, yes: https://linkmauve.fr/extensions/xep-0054.html
  481. Link Mauve Ok, 118G /var/lib/docker
  482. Link Mauve I mean, sure.
  483. Link Mauve Why not.
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  485. Link Mauve I’ve played with it for a total of like one hour after all.
  486. wurstsalat one heavy whale
  487. Link Mauve It’s perfectly normal.
  488. Link Mauve This is fine.
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  490. mathieui good thing you didn’t play with it using your toaster
  491. jonas’ I don’t like
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  494. jonas’ I don’t like that particular rendering, but the idea is neat
  495. jonas’ Link Mauve, your counting is wrong
  496. jonas’ there are a lot of mounted things, you need to run du with -x
  497. jonas’ otherwise you’re counting the same things multiple times
  498. Link Mauve I rm -rf’d everything and started over.
  499. jonas’ (re /var/lib/docker)
  500. Link Mauve I now have fiber, so I can waste that stuff. :p
  501. Link Mauve I now have fiber, so I can waste that bandwidth. :p
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  503. Link Mauve I now have fiber, so I can afford to waste that bandwidth. :p
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  505. Link Mauve Alright, my docker thingy works now.
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  508. Link Mauve MattJ, Zash, feel free to clone https://git.linkmauve.fr/xmpp-doap.git, docker build xmpp-doap, and docker run -v ~/dev/web/xmpp.org:/xmpp.org -v ~/output/xmpp-doap:/data it. o/
  509. Link Mauve You’ll end up with the data in ~/output/xmpp-doap, put that directory at the root of https://xmpp.org and it will be ready.
  510. MattJ flow: smack is notably missing from
  511. MattJ flow: smack is notably missing from https://xmpp.org/software/libraries.html
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  514. MattJ Hmm
  515. jonas’ Link Mauve, the root of xmpp.org lives in a docker container, not in a volume or somesuch
  516. MattJ "Put that data" step sounds ambiguous and tricky
  517. jonas’ hm, so we’ll have to do a docker cp I think?
  518. Link Mauve Maybe?
  519. jonas’ every time we update the xmpp.org thing
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  522. jonas’ sounds tricky
  523. jonas’ maybe this should rather be a script inside the xmpp.org container which gets called by the entrypoint and which we can call as a cronjob from the host machine?
  524. Link Mauve I know nothing about docker, I just did one which generates the tree of files to be used.
  525. Link Mauve Couldn’t you also point the web server to that particular directory?
  526. MattJ That could work if it wasn't in the xmpp.org root
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  528. MattJ / goes to the xmpp.org container
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  530. jonas’ (where an nginx runs)
  531. Link Mauve What it needs is /xmpp-doap/ actually.
  532. jonas’ and also the extensions/index.html?
  533. Link Mauve No, that’s /xmpp-doap/extensions.json
  534. MattJ jonas’: is nginx not outside the container? Or was that a different server?
  535. jonas’ MattJ, both!
  536. MattJ Well, right
  537. jonas’ there is an nginx on the host, and each web site part comes with its own nginx
  538. jonas’ I love it /s
  539. MattJ So the host nginx can handle specific dirs
  540. jonas’ Link Mauve, oh, so this requires JS to work?
  541. jonas’ right
  542. Link Mauve jonas’, yes, I wanted to avoid to modify Pelican.
  543. Link Mauve It could be integrated possibly, but so far I’ve been unable to get it to build. ^^'
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  550. Zash Is anyone on the website or iteam really familiar with Pelican?
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  555. jonas’ I am
  556. jonas’ but not with the crude things which are done there
  557. jonas’ the xmpp.org website is way beyond what pelican can easily do and it’s a crude hack
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  561. Zash I think it would help the newsletter team a lot if they could preview the site easily, but that takes some major effort in my experience.
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  615. emus Yes, it indeed would, but I only can do some python and lag any http or CSS stuff entirely 😬️
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