XSF Discussion - 2021-01-03

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  287. jonas’ for another org I volunteered with we had automated builds of every branch on staging.$domain/$branch/
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  360. Link Mauve Alright, I’ve optimised the docker thing a bit, it doesn’t require an xmpp.org mount anymore, instead it will git pull its inside copy.
  361. Link Mauve Also no more intermediary copy, I got told having multiple RUN commands will create as many intermediary copies.
  362. Link Mauve The data used by https://linkmauve.fr/extensions/ are now generated from docker.
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  364. marc Looks nice, the mix of logos and names is a bit confusing though
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  367. Link Mauve That’s because not all clients updated their DOAP with a logo yet.
  368. Link Mauve marc, how else would you represent them?
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  372. Link Mauve I’ve also tried playing with CSS to address lskdjf’s comments, but I only managed to make it worse.
  373. Daniel Link Mauve: BTW is Conversations doap file not working somehow?
  374. Daniel Or do I need to register the existence of the file somewhere?
  375. Link Mauve Daniel, you should add it to your entry at xmpp.org: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/data/clients.json#L139
  376. Link Mauve I don’t maintain a list of my own, instead I rely on xmpp.org’s data.
  377. Daniel I see. Thanks
  378. Link Mauve You should move your logo property in the https://schema.org/ namespace, fyi.
  379. Link Mauve Here: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/blob/master/doap.rdf#L25
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  381. Link Mauve Also reference your actual logo (SVG preferred), instead of the DOAP file itself. ^^
  382. mathieui (you could have been forgiving and allowed the old logo description, so that it does not make a mixed mess until all your PRs get accepted :p)
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  385. Link Mauve mathieui, none of the projects which used my old xmpp:logo (which lasted for only one day) use it anymore.
  386. Link Mauve Both Prosody, Gajim and poezio updated to the new one, while Dino skipped it altogether.
  387. Link Mauve Both Prosody, Gajim and poezio updated to the new one, while Dino skipped the xmpp: one altogether.
  388. Link Mauve In the first version I shared, I was fixing the DOAP files myself to add each project’s logo.
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  391. Link Mauve Except for slixmpp, which doesn’t have one.
  392. MattJ Link Mauve: maybe a fallback placeholder logo could be added? Or a coloured square with the initial of the project :)
  393. Link Mauve Code welcome!
  394. Link Mauve In JS or Rust.
  395. Daniel I just hope we can merge this soon instead of forever trying to make it perfect
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  403. MattJ +1
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  405. MattJ To be clear, I'm not in a position to contribute code right now and neither will I object to it being merged without placeholder logos
  406. MattJ Just offering a suggestion about how to fix the visual issue (the best solution is for every project to have a logo)
  407. MattJ Haven't looked at the latest version but the one I saw was weird because it had the Prosody logo with 'slixmpp' after it sometimes
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  409. MattJ Separate columns improve that, but still potential for confusion
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  411. mathieui FWIW columns speraration is much better on the dark theme
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  428. wurstsalat my proposal would be to show the count of supporting clients/servers/libs only. XEP pages already have a list of all the clients/... including their logos.
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  433. Link Mauve Oh right, I haven’t tried the light theme in a long while.
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  436. marc Link Mauve: have you tried sorting it by logo presence?
  437. marc First all with logos and then all without
  438. Link Mauve wurstsalat, I find that extremely dire and unhelpful tbh: https://linkmauve.fr/extensions/
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  441. Link Mauve marc, I expect this won’t be an issue anymore once all clients have a logo.
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  454. Link Mauve wurstsalat, here with a denominator giving the total amount of projects.
  455. Link Mauve Maybe I could do a percentage instead?
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  457. wurstsalat Link Mauve, it does not look as exciting, that’s right. but which info do you want the viewer to gather from a list with those logos? as soon as there are 7+ logos, you cannot display them nicely anymore.
  458. Link Mauve Here with a percentage.
  459. marc Link Mauve, yep, probably that's true. Except if projects don't have a logo at all :)
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  462. Link Mauve Although now it doesn’t indicate which ones have a complete or partial implementation, hmm…
  463. wurstsalat since XEPs are for various use cases, I’d stay away from percentages :)
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  467. Link Mauve Indeed.
  468. Link Mauve Right, it’s back to a number of implementation.
  469. wurstsalat if you’d be a viewer wanting to compare clients, it would be best to make the ones selectable you want to compare, since you cannot display every client logo at once. or am I getting this use-case wrong?
  470. Ge0rG Link Mauve: filled horizontal bars with the width being proportional to the number of implementations!
  471. Ge0rG wurstsalat: that's something I'd love to see in the implementations list
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  475. Link Mauve Patches welcome! I’m not very good at web stuff.
  476. Link Mauve But I’d be fine with merging that stuff as is, and leave improvements for later.
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  478. wurstsalat Link Mauve, following that idea, you could for example select {Conversations, Dino}, display logos of just these two clients if they support the respective xep, and add a number afterwards for remaining clients (like this: "[logo1] [logo2] (6 more)". but yes, this sounds like something to implement later :)
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  481. Link Mauve Interesting idea. :)
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  483. SamWhited If you ignore the number afterwards you can probably do it all in just CSS with no JavaScript too.
  484. Link Mauve Atm the whole integration comes from JS though. :(
  485. SamWhited Integration?
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  487. Link Mauve Fetching the JSON file from xmpp-doap and adding the Implementations column in the XEPs list, or the new table in each XEP.
  488. SamWhited oh, gotcha, that seems unfortunate.
  489. Link Mauve Indeed, I’d rather integrate it with Pelican (hence why I labeled this a proof of concept on standards@), but I’ve never been able to build our Pelican website so I’d rather not write code blind.
  490. SamWhited Either way, you can probably do the filtering part in CSS and it's one less thing to figure out how to integrate / move over later.
  491. SamWhited Filtering and/or overflow if there are too many logos.
  492. Link Mauve Indeed. :)
  493. Link Mauve Overflow I tried this morning, and couldn’t figure out how.
  494. Link Mauve I wanted overflow: auto, but it requires display: block, which then moves adjacent <td/> one below the other…
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  500. Link Mauve Another thing I plan to make with these data is an automated Compliance Suite marker in implementation lists.
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  509. wurstsalat very much yes! :)
  510. wurstsalat any news on compliance badges btw?
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  534. Zash I have a thing that can tell if you're compliant based on your doap
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  538. Daniel Zash: is it a webservice?
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  546. Zash Me? A website? Never.
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  554. stefan Is there a XEP to store URLs like defined in XEP-0048: Bookmarks? It's out of scope for XEP-0402: PEP Native Bookmarks. But 0402 should be used instead of 0048. Is it correct?
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  557. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0195.html almost?
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  566. stefan The elements looks good. I thing a mimetype field would be nice. The XEP is about browsing - current activity - but should also work for storing information. I just implemented 0048, I try to change it to those two XEPs. Thx.
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  572. stefan One more question. Is it possible to have a kind of real time sharing of a text file? For instance, 5 people are working on a file at the same time.
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  575. stefan I was thinking to just share the content via a pubsub node item. But maybe there is another / better way to handel this.
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  578. Daniel If you want this to be real time edits you probably need something more complex than just uploading the file to a pubsub node.
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  581. Daniel Other than that pubsub is not a bad choice I reckon
  582. Daniel Also isn't there a collaboration edit xep already?
  583. Daniel There certainly is one for svg
  584. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0284.html this?
  585. stefan Sound good 👌
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