XSF Discussion - 2021-01-08

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08:48:57 marc The peertube guys will soon™ implement a chat system for their live streaming feature, xmpp and matrix were already mentioned https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/151
08:49:16 marc Maybe someone™ wants to advertise xmpp
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10:09:16 MattJ marc: https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/issues/3098#issuecomment-756668474 - thanks for the pointer
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10:10:30 MattJ Not committing to implementing it myself (unless it will only take a few hours), but I'm sure we can find someone who can
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10:28:45 marc MattJ: since matrix uses json which is a good buzzword for web devs, it will be hard to convince them I guess
10:29:19 marc But yeah, maybe they have funding money to lay for an xmpp based chat
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11:18:48 marc But yeah, maybe they have funding money to pay for an xmpp based chat
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16:59:26 dwd Good evening.
16:59:29 arc ralphm: you here?
16:59:37 ralphm bangs gavel
16:59:49 ralphm arc: not sure :-D
17:00:00 ralphm 0. Welcome + Agenda
17:00:37 ralphm A warm welcome in 2021. We've missed a few meetings due to the holidays. New year, new chances.
17:00:40 ralphm Who do we have?
17:00:48 arc Here
17:00:53 dwd Here!
17:00:58 MattJ o/
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17:01:11 ralphm Seve sent regrets, so we can start
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17:01:28 ralphm Any agenda items we should add?
17:01:56 dwd Council was asking what's happening with the Summit.
17:02:05 ralphm dwd: ok
17:02:27 arc We officially sent that to SCAM last meeting
17:03:01 ralphm Right, but we can still follow-up maybe.
17:03:04 dwd Yes, have we heard back?
17:03:06 ralphm If nothing else.
17:03:21 ralphm 1. Minute taker. I think MattJ was last, so that's me then.
17:03:32 ralphm 2. XMPP Summit 2021
17:03:51 ralphm To be honest, I haven't followed along.
17:04:25 MattJ Me neither
17:04:58 dwd It might be useful to have SCAM give us an update each week if possible.
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17:05:29 MattJ Agreed
17:05:57 dwd Someone (I forget who) at the Council meeting noted that there wasn't any particular reason to have the Summit happen in line with the FOSDEM timing, mind, and I'm fine with that if that's the plan.
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17:07:34 ralphm Right. For me the primary value for the Summit is to bring people (physically) together. The second is for the concentrated high(er) bandwidth discussions.
17:07:49 dwd Who is the liaision between Board and SCAM?
17:08:29 ralphm Probably me.
17:09:01 ralphm I'll follow up on this.
17:09:12 arc There won't be a physical meeting this year. It is just not possible given the slow vaccine rollout. Maybe next year.
17:09:52 dwd Autumn/Fall, perhaps. Depends on vaccine rollout and new mutations.
17:10:04 ralphm Right, I don't expect one, but am willing to check back in a few months. We used to do two summits a year, and who knows where we are in the fall.
17:10:17 dwd But there's nothing stopping us from replacing a physical summit with one - or more - online events.
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17:10:34 ralphm Indeed. I'll ask if SCAM has/had anything in mind.
17:11:23 ralphm Which reminds me of:
17:11:27 ralphm 2. GSOC
17:11:43 ralphm https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
17:11:49 arc GSoC is reduced in half this year
17:12:03 ralphm If we want to participate, we need to start.
17:12:10 ralphm arc: what does that mean?
17:12:36 arc Students will be paid half as much as last year, and Google is expecting us to adjust our expectations accordingly
17:12:54 dwd Half the time as well?
17:12:54 ralphm ah, yes
17:13:07 arc So if students were expected to put 30-40 hours last year, it's 15-20 this year, yes.
17:13:26 dwd OK.
17:13:46 dwd We could, of course, top that up with our own funds.
17:13:56 ralphm Anyway, seems we have a bit of time. Let's think about if we want to participate and discuss next week how to proceed?
17:14:59 arc That just has a huge impact on the cost:benefit ratio. Mentors put in the same about of time as previous years but students contribute half an much? Many orgs are discussing whether they still want to participate
17:15:17 ralphm Indeed. Point taken.
17:15:30 dwd arc, That's why I am wondering about whether we replace the missing funds.
17:15:53 ralphm ++
17:15:58 dwd arc, I assume mentor/org funding from Google also halves?
17:16:07 arc Not as I recall.
17:16:32 ralphm 400 USD per accepted student, says FAQ
17:17:09 dwd Oh, OK. So how much is the student shortfall we'd have to make up, anyone know?
17:17:23 arc That depends on which country they're from
17:17:41 arc If they are living in the United States, $3000 IIRC
17:18:44 arc A few years ago they changed the program to paying students based on country cost of living index, instead of one flat amount.
17:18:50 ralphm I need to give this a bit more thought
17:18:52 dwd Right, makes sense.
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17:19:18 arc I would recommend that we look at Outreachy
17:19:45 dwd Oh, interesting. Yes, looks like something to look into.
17:20:16 dwd Can we agree we all look into these options - Outreachy, and making up the shortfall on GSoC - and discuss next week?
17:20:32 arc Sounds good
17:20:35 dwd (And maybe exchange thoguhts on the mailing list between now and then)
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17:20:56 arc I would be happy to outreach to outreachy to discuss how we can join that
17:20:59 ralphm Yep
17:21:06 ralphm Thanks arc
17:21:13 ralphm 3. AOB
17:21:15 ralphm ?
17:22:39 dwd Just a note that we have major incidents and "critcon4" and things being declared here, so I may get very busy with work. But hopefully that won't affect Board much.
17:23:35 ralphm Ok
17:23:43 ralphm 4. Date of Next
17:23:47 ralphm +1W
17:23:53 ralphm 5. Close
17:23:59 ralphm Thanks all!
17:24:04 ralphm bangs gavel
17:25:01 arc 24 minutes!
17:25:20 ralphm Good?
17:27:28 arc Good
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20:26:46 emus Would be great if we could try to compensate GSoC, at least partly.
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21:30:37 flow emus, "compensate GSoC"?
21:32:03 mdosch Top up with own money as mentioned earlier I guess.
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21:35:48 flow ahh, I see
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