XSF Discussion - 2021-01-09

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13:54:30 jonas’ was xmpp:user:password@domain.example valid or not?
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13:55:19 MattJ xmpp://user:password@domain.example should be, I don't think xmpp: is, no
13:55:24 jonas’ thanks
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14:50:25 Zash For some value of "valid" that may include "deprecated for a decade"... 😕
14:51:09 Zash Without replacement, since passing credentials around like that is not that great.
14:51:24 Zash 🤷️
14:51:37 MattJ Yes, better embed them in JSON instead ;)
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14:53:45 Zash Still supported by URI/URL parsers tho.. so I'd lean towards the sorta-standardized over made up JSON formats.
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20:12:24 Zash Re https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html#query-limit-id Those two queries should give the same results if they had 'after-id' in RSM instead?
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21:04:35 lovetox hm no the second would not end at the before id
21:06:49 Zash Wouldn't that be subject to page sizes in both cases?
21:07:38 lovetox only because a page is finished
21:07:49 lovetox does not mean you get a complete=true iq
21:08:30 lovetox not sure what you are after, of course you can get the same messages with rsm, and then simply abort once you reach that stanza-id
21:08:43 lovetox but that is a bit weird given that this is a query protocol
21:09:04 lovetox do you make open ended SQL queries and abort once you think your done?
21:09:20 lovetox no you query exactly what you need, start -> end
21:09:32 lovetox and thats what these filter options allow now
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21:11:49 Zash In this code, the RSM before/after was translated to SQL WHERE. after-id and before-id would too.
21:12:03 Zash Or would it? That's the question.
21:12:51 Zash `WHERE id > (rsm.after OR after-id) AND id < (rsm.before OR before-id)` or somesuch
21:13:35 lovetox there is no rsm before AND after
21:13:38 lovetox its either or
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21:14:40 Zash That's not the point
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21:15:33 lovetox if i understand you correctly you try to translate something, that cant be translated
21:15:46 lovetox the second example in the xep is not doable with rsm in an efficient manner
21:16:01 lovetox you could get lucky with the page size ending exactly on that stanza-id, and then you could abort
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21:16:32 lovetox but thats luck
21:16:36 Zash form.before-id=09af3-cc343-b409f rsm.after=28482-98726-73623
21:17:07 lovetox yes thats equivalent
21:17:10 lovetox now i understand you
21:17:13 Zash 🙂
21:17:25 lovetox rsm after == form after-id
21:17:42 lovetox so it does not matter which of the two you set
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21:18:29 lovetox of course this depends on the implementation on the server
21:19:10 lovetox if the server like prosody only querys exactly the page it servs, then its equivalent
21:19:31 lovetox if some server would maybe prepare the whole result set, then this is performance wise maybe not equivalent
21:19:49 Zash One difference I can think of is how the rsm count field is calculated. I'm assuming that should be calculated/estimated while ignoring the RSM bits
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21:22:51 lovetox hm but count is a rsm feature
21:23:00 lovetox would be weird to igore the other rsm fields
21:23:50 lovetox hm no the XEP says it has to show the ful result set
21:24:46 lovetox yes, without the mam filter fields you would have to calc the count on each rsm query again
21:25:08 lovetox hm no only in the case no filter option was given
21:25:34 lovetox i dont see how this changes something Zash
21:25:43 lovetox count should always depend on the mam filter fields
21:25:54 lovetox now there are more filter fields but thats it
21:26:33 lovetox if i do a mam query without filters, no start date, no end date, the typical sign on and catchup after stanza-id
21:26:46 lovetox then count should be the count of all messages in the database for that account
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21:36:21 Zash yes. count should reflect how many messages match the base mam query.
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