Just food for thoughts:
With fossdem happening online, might be nice to create some MUC prior to the event start, to help those that wish to do something there to coordinate.
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emus
> Escribí:
> Hi arc, dave (dwd ?), matthew (Wild?), ralphm and Seve - please approve and merge if you are satisfied: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/871
Good day,
are you planning any review/comment and I should wait, or what is the process?
emus, https://dpaste.org/XbmE -- a heavy edit; feel free to use as little/much as you like 😉
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Thank you theTedd, sorry for asking this - are you a native english speaker?
theTedd
sí
jonas’
theTedd, thanks!
theTedd
small correction; https://dpaste.org/a7ex
emus
Okay great. I will put this into the draft tonight and then merge
theTedd
👍
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theTedd - that is a great edit
emus
may I just keep the title 1 and the 2. sub title or is that a heavy mistake/weird expression?
theTedd
I think they both imply the same thing, so just choose one or the other
emus
The second one is actually finishing the first one in my opinion
theTedd
it matches with that to repeat the point, yes
emus
yes, that is my intention
theTedd
"The App Shouldn't Matter" and "Technology Not Apps" are a pair
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emus
Yes I understand, but I preferred to keep state the first half of my though (but also the written statement) then add the second half to finish. So my question was: were my titles technically correct?✎
theTedd
there's nothing wrong with them grammatically, no
emus
Yes I understand, but I preferred to keep stateing the first half of my though (but also the written statement) then add the second half to finish. So my question was: were my titles technically correct? ✏
emus
okay, then I took almost everything from your review 🙂
emus
Happy to merge tonight!
emus
As I link to the Getting started page, any comments on this: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/870
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theTedd
"The following links each give you lists of publicly available providers." => "The following links provide lists of publicly available providers."
End of January is actually coming closer and we head for the first release of the XMPP Newletter in 2021. Everyone invited to drop their news until 2nd of Feb.
Newsletter on December/January:
https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/851
(Go to Files changes/Edit File)
Or drop your news text to you online pad: https://yopad.eu/p/xmpp-newsletter-365days
📝☕
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mathieui
The process of updating a protoxep during approval period is just "send a motivated merge request and get an editor to agree", right?
dwd
mathieui, No.
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mathieui, It's not IPR-controlled by the XSF yet, so really you need to talk to the proposer.
mathieui
dwd, I mean, as a proposer of course
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mathieui
otherwise yes, that makes sense
dwd
Oh! Then yeah!
mathieui
Thanks!
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SamWhited
editors: multiplexing was accepted as XEP-0451 and it's on the website, but it doesn't appear to be in the repo. Did something go wrong with the process?
SamWhited
(/cc jonas’ I think? I never remember who's doing editor stuff these days)
jonas’
I am
jonas’
SamWhited, pushed, sorry
SamWhited
thankx
SamWhited
thanks, even
jonas’
SamWhited, in general, editor@muc.xmpp.org might be the place :)
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SamWhited
Then I'd have to join a room I'm not already in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SamWhited
And remember what that room is
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SamWhited: Know that feeling 😅
arc
There is a lot of room for improvement with xmpp group chat
SamWhited
I do often wish we had something sort of like email where I can send a broadcast without actually joining or receiving replies (unless they're directed directly to me)
SamWhited
Like an email alias or a mailing list that allows writes without joining
arc
The directed to you part is one thing we need to really address
arc
SamWhited: tagging systems like this are lazy, dating back to plain text IRC
SamWhited
arc: tagging systems? I don't think that's a term I've heard before
arc
Taking a message for a specific recipient within a group chat
arc
Tagging
arc
Flagging?
Zash
One of the first plugins I wrote for Prosody was a way to send messages to other groups without joining them (porting behavior previously performed by a bot).
Zash
So you could write
editors: The thing seems to be weird
And they could reply with
xsf: Fixed, thanks!
SamWhited
oooh, nice, I like that idea as a feature
arc
But can't we do better than that?
Zash
MIX?
arc
I mean, how we specify who the message is intended for?
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Zash
References?
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SamWhited
References lets us specify text that should be highlighted or whatever, but we still need the actual feature built on top of it to @mention someone, other rooms on the server, maybe autocomplete, etc.
SamWhited
Whatever that ends up looking like.
Zash
I don't actually know if MIX inherited the property of PubSub of publishing being separate from subscriptions.
Zash
SamWhited, so, we need implementations? Agree.
arc
Implementations are always the problem
SamWhited
Zash: do we have a feature to implement?
SamWhited
I don't think references really gives us any of that, it just says "you can highlight stuff in the body"
arc
You know for most of us, covid19 plus winter means a ton of alone time inside. Sitting down and just hammering out a bunch of XMPP work on our respective software would be a great use of this time
mathieui
arc, if only it was that easy, though :x
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Why isn't it?
Zash
SamWhited, and say that it's type=mention and uri=xmpp:yourjid ?
Zash
And then either the client does something or the server does something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-mention-notifications.html
SamWhited
Sounds good to me
arc
I would be happy to grab the Julython code and set it up for, say, March, with participation prices like t-shirts and stuff, classy name and art
SamWhited
arc: that's a fun idea, I love a good hackathon
SamWhited
(I think the XMPP library I make actually started as a hackathon project for HipChat, then got rewritten later on my own time so Atlassian wouldn't own it)
mathieui
arc, not saying it is a bad idea or anything, but more than anything it’s pretty hard to focus due to all the externalities (depending on how your country handles covid)
SamWhited
This is true. ⤴️
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Sure yes. It just seems like we all have these little bouts of energy that usually just fizzles out after we have a discussion about it without much code being written
SamWhited
I've been trying to do more XMPP work on weekends and after work on my day job (and thinking about it a lot when I should be doing my job like right this moment) but there's also just the fact that being in front of a computer all day working on crap I hate makes me desperately not want to continue being in front of a computer even for things I like working on
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But if there’s something setup I would be happy to participate anyway, even if I may not do a lot!
arc
You know what, I'm going to write a SCAM proposal for this. Even if it is online only.
mathieui
(and I am kind of in the same situation as SamWhited)
SamWhited
Having a lot of people in a room working on different things is a good motivator, even if less work gets done in some ways because you're distracted and chatting and what not
SamWhited
"room" being the virtual kind of room, of course
arc
I agree
arc
I get so much more work done at sprints and hackathons than solo focused time.
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SamWhited
I end up chatting for most of it and not getting much done, but then I have a ton of ideas from talking to people and am fired up about it so it gets done later
SamWhited
Unless it's a team thing actually, I guess I've gotten a ton done in those now that I think about it
arc
I was very much the opposite for me, I get fired up early in the sprint with talking about this stuff, I usually blast out a lot of work over the second half
SamWhited
This reminds me, there's a hackathon coming up at work. I think I'm going to be slightly self-serving and do some work that's relevant to my day job but is open source in upstream projects I use in my XMPP stuff.
SamWhited
It's a win-win.
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What are you doing for work these days?
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And catchy name brainstorm?
SamWhited
arc: DHCP/IPAM/DNS stuff. I'd be curious what you're up to these days too, we should catch up out of band.
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HaXMPPathon?
SamWhited
(maybe not)
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I'm thinking something I could have one of our artists make logos and t-shirt art for
arc
You know I did not get a single conference shirt last year. Not one. I think that's the first in like 20 years
arc
But everyday I drink tea and water out of a hackathon mug that I got from a gnome sprint 5 years ago.
arc
It could be a play on words, like including the word March but using it like walking in formation
arc
Even if that is a bit english-centric
Zash
PhalanX March?
mdosch
Like 'March of freedom'?
arc
Code March?
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Trampling down the bugs?
mdosch
🤣
arc
It would also be handy if the name led easily to ideas for the artist(s) making swag art
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ralphm: mattj: Seve: dwd: it's that time again
MattJ
ohai
dwd
It is indeed.
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I apologise, I'm on mobile and on a unstable connection, I'll try to follow but can't do much more, sorry :(
arc
ralphm: ?
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Well we have quorum but I'm not sure we have an agenda. Dwd have you substitute chaired yet?
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I have not, but I am in a meeting that's overrun at work, so I can pay some attention but not enough to chair.
dwd
(I mean, the meeting is that we've won a major contract and we're drinking, so...)
arc
Actually I slept through last week's meeting
dwd
You got more out of it than we did then.
arc
We really need to get her act together this year 😅
Seve
Yes
arc
S/her/our
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MattJ
Sounds like we barely have a quorum, shall we continue or skip? I don't have anything to bring up other than my concern about FOSDEM and (apparent?) lack of SCAM activity
MattJ
But without anyone representing SCAM a meeting won't fix anything there
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Well you're drinking, seve is on a unstable connection, and I don't think any of us have agenda items. I don't see how we could have a meeting
dwd
True enough. But we do need to gain some oversight/leadership of SCAM and the summit.
dwd
So before I get more than halfway down my pint, we could agree that.
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MattJ
Agreed to that
Sevenods
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Who has time and cycles amongst us to do that?
MattJ
Nobody :P (which is probably similar for SCAM I assume)
MattJ
I can try and do some poking this week
MattJ
But I'm the worst option if there is anyone else with more time
arc
I know from a different organization that I'm with that Fosdem really needs our details like last week.
dwd
Yes, true. It'd be great to just get an idea of what's happening, if nothign else. Can we at least commit to discuss on list?
MattJ
I don't even know if we applied for or received a stand
dwd
Me neither.
arc
We, as in board or scam?
dwd
arc, Yes.
MattJ
The board did nothing, we agreed to let SCAM handle it
arc
We as a board already decided to send Fosdem to scam.
MattJ
(as is usual)
dwd
Did SCAM know we did?
arc
That was another week that we're off wasn't here
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I don't even know who is a member of scam anymore
arc
But then Ralph said that he was going to take care of it, I think?
arc
IDK I have only been to Fosdem once, and only because Google paid for my trip. It's even harder now from the west coast US
Zash
https://fosdem.org/2021/news/2020-12-11-stands-cfp/
> The deadline is the 25th of December.
MattJ
I'll post to the list
dwd
Sounds lik a sensible first step.
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Seve
Thank you
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emus
I would like to invite everyone to take a little review if there are any branches that can be deleted: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/branches
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emus
I removed a few already 🚮️ but Im not entirely sure for all of the left ones
Zash
Closed + merged are probably fine to drop
emus
Yes I thought so
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Zash
Newsletter branches from 2019 can probably go too, why are they even there?
Zash
dependabot?
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emus
because they got never merged as this, but you need to ask the authors from that time
emus
no clue
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mathieui
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0379.html#general_idea I just noted that the coloring on this schema is pretty funny
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Zash
funky
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mathieui
emus, how long does it take for a blog post to appear on the website?
emus
zash?
emus
iteam?
mathieui
(I have no issues if it takes time, I was just surprised to not see it on the blog yet)
Zash
Is it merged? Is the build complete? Then I think at midnight.
Zash
If anyone has opinions on how to configure the update cronjob then I'm all ears.
mathieui
nah, I’m good
mathieui
if I understand it properly, building the website is a bit tricky and pelican is not very happy with our usage
Zash
Don't forget Docker
Zash
and Docker hub rate limits
Ge0rG
an angry bird.
Zash
IIRC it's currently set to some time in the morning, some time early in the evening and midnight
Zash
In which timezone ... is anyones guess.
Zash
Better than no automation at all and hoping someone from iteam is awake I hope.
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yeah, it’s not like the website is evolving fast enough to justify doing it more often
mathieui
I’m just comparing to my own blog deployment (with pelican too) which takes 5 seconds after the push :p
mathieui
(but I have neither a complex website nor a real need for isolation)
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Zash
My own is instant, but then I push directly to production ;)
Zash
...and build in produciton
mathieui
I did that at some point so I will not judge you
Zash
Build on push to production, in production. WCGW
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Zash
Nothing, that's what, it's perfect. Also my personal website, I'll survive without it.
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Ok I think it's UTC, so +4h
Zash
Can poke it if anyone feels strongly that now is a better time to publish
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emus
thanks for replying
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wurstsalat
Link Mauve, is the code (layout+css) for https://linkmauve.fr/software/clients.html published somewhere?
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wurstsalat, https://git.linkmauve.fr/xmpp-doap.git probably (although I do not know how up-to-date that is)
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wurstsalat
mathieui, that’s not including this page afaict
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wurstsalat, my understanding is that this goes on top of the already built website