purplebeetrootJust food for thoughts:
With fossdem happening online, might be nice to create some MUC prior to the event start, to help those that wish to do something there to coordinate.
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emus> Escribí:
> Hi arc, dave (dwd ?), matthew (Wild?), ralphm and Seve - please approve and merge if you are satisfied: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/871
Good day,
are you planning any review/comment and I should wait, or what is the process?
theTeddemus, https://dpaste.org/XbmE -- a heavy edit; feel free to use as little/much as you like 😉
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emusThank you theTedd, sorry for asking this - are you a native english speaker?
theTeddsí
jonas’theTedd, thanks!
theTeddsmall correction; https://dpaste.org/a7ex
emusOkay great. I will put this into the draft tonight and then merge
theTedd👍
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emustheTedd - that is a great edit
emusmay I just keep the title 1 and the 2. sub title or is that a heavy mistake/weird expression?
theTeddI think they both imply the same thing, so just choose one or the other
emusThe second one is actually finishing the first one in my opinion
theTeddit matches with that to repeat the point, yes
emusyes, that is my intention
theTedd"The App Shouldn't Matter" and "Technology Not Apps" are a pair
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emusYes I understand, but I preferred to keep state the first half of my though (but also the written statement) then add the second half to finish. So my question was: were my titles technically correct?
theTeddthere's nothing wrong with them grammatically, no
emusYes I understand, but I preferred to keep stateing the first half of my though (but also the written statement) then add the second half to finish. So my question was: were my titles technically correct?
emusokay, then I took almost everything from your review 🙂
emusHappy to merge tonight!
emusAs I link to the Getting started page, any comments on this: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/870
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theTedd"The following links each give you lists of publicly available providers." => "The following links provide lists of publicly available providers."
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emusthanks, will edit 'ater
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emusthanks, will edit later
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emusEnd of January is actually coming closer and we head for the first release of the XMPP Newletter in 2021. Everyone invited to drop their news until 2nd of Feb.
Newsletter on December/January:
https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/851
(Go to Files changes/Edit File)
Or drop your news text to you online pad: https://yopad.eu/p/xmpp-newsletter-365days
📝☕
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mathieuiThe process of updating a protoxep during approval period is just "send a motivated merge request and get an editor to agree", right?
dwdmathieui, No.
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dwdmathieui, It's not IPR-controlled by the XSF yet, so really you need to talk to the proposer.
mathieuidwd, I mean, as a proposer of course
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mathieuiotherwise yes, that makes sense
dwdOh! Then yeah!
mathieuiThanks!
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SamWhitededitors: multiplexing was accepted as XEP-0451 and it's on the website, but it doesn't appear to be in the repo. Did something go wrong with the process?
SamWhited(/cc jonas’ I think? I never remember who's doing editor stuff these days)
jonas’I am
jonas’SamWhited, pushed, sorry
SamWhitedthankx
SamWhitedthanks, even
jonas’SamWhited, in general, editor@muc.xmpp.org might be the place :)
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SamWhitedThen I'd have to join a room I'm not already in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
SamWhitedAnd remember what that room is
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arcSamWhited: Know that feeling 😅
arcThere is a lot of room for improvement with xmpp group chat
SamWhitedI do often wish we had something sort of like email where I can send a broadcast without actually joining or receiving replies (unless they're directed directly to me)
SamWhitedLike an email alias or a mailing list that allows writes without joining
arcThe directed to you part is one thing we need to really address
arcSamWhited: tagging systems like this are lazy, dating back to plain text IRC
SamWhitedarc: tagging systems? I don't think that's a term I've heard before
arcTaking a message for a specific recipient within a group chat
arcTagging
arcFlagging?
ZashOne of the first plugins I wrote for Prosody was a way to send messages to other groups without joining them (porting behavior previously performed by a bot).
ZashSo you could write
editors: The thing seems to be weird
And they could reply with
xsf: Fixed, thanks!
SamWhitedoooh, nice, I like that idea as a feature
arcBut can't we do better than that?
ZashMIX?
arcI mean, how we specify who the message is intended for?
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ZashReferences?
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SamWhitedReferences lets us specify text that should be highlighted or whatever, but we still need the actual feature built on top of it to @mention someone, other rooms on the server, maybe autocomplete, etc.
SamWhitedWhatever that ends up looking like.
ZashI don't actually know if MIX inherited the property of PubSub of publishing being separate from subscriptions.
ZashSamWhited, so, we need implementations? Agree.
arcImplementations are always the problem
SamWhitedZash: do we have a feature to implement?
SamWhitedI don't think references really gives us any of that, it just says "you can highlight stuff in the body"
arcYou know for most of us, covid19 plus winter means a ton of alone time inside. Sitting down and just hammering out a bunch of XMPP work on our respective software would be a great use of this time
mathieuiarc, if only it was that easy, though :x
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arcWhy isn't it?
ZashSamWhited, and say that it's type=mention and uri=xmpp:yourjid ?
ZashAnd then either the client does something or the server does something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-mention-notifications.html
SamWhitedSounds good to me
arcI would be happy to grab the Julython code and set it up for, say, March, with participation prices like t-shirts and stuff, classy name and art
SamWhitedarc: that's a fun idea, I love a good hackathon
SamWhited(I think the XMPP library I make actually started as a hackathon project for HipChat, then got rewritten later on my own time so Atlassian wouldn't own it)
mathieuiarc, not saying it is a bad idea or anything, but more than anything it’s pretty hard to focus due to all the externalities (depending on how your country handles covid)
SamWhitedThis is true. ⤴️
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arcSure yes. It just seems like we all have these little bouts of energy that usually just fizzles out after we have a discussion about it without much code being written
SamWhitedI've been trying to do more XMPP work on weekends and after work on my day job (and thinking about it a lot when I should be doing my job like right this moment) but there's also just the fact that being in front of a computer all day working on crap I hate makes me desperately not want to continue being in front of a computer even for things I like working on
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mathieuiBut if there’s something setup I would be happy to participate anyway, even if I may not do a lot!
arcYou know what, I'm going to write a SCAM proposal for this. Even if it is online only.
mathieui(and I am kind of in the same situation as SamWhited)
SamWhitedHaving a lot of people in a room working on different things is a good motivator, even if less work gets done in some ways because you're distracted and chatting and what not
SamWhited"room" being the virtual kind of room, of course
arcI agree
arcI get so much more work done at sprints and hackathons than solo focused time.
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SamWhitedI end up chatting for most of it and not getting much done, but then I have a ton of ideas from talking to people and am fired up about it so it gets done later
SamWhitedUnless it's a team thing actually, I guess I've gotten a ton done in those now that I think about it
arcI was very much the opposite for me, I get fired up early in the sprint with talking about this stuff, I usually blast out a lot of work over the second half
SamWhitedThis reminds me, there's a hackathon coming up at work. I think I'm going to be slightly self-serving and do some work that's relevant to my day job but is open source in upstream projects I use in my XMPP stuff.
SamWhitedIt's a win-win.
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arcWhat are you doing for work these days?
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arcAnd catchy name brainstorm?
SamWhitedarc: DHCP/IPAM/DNS stuff. I'd be curious what you're up to these days too, we should catch up out of band.
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SamWhitedHaXMPPathon?
SamWhited(maybe not)
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arcI'm thinking something I could have one of our artists make logos and t-shirt art for
arcYou know I did not get a single conference shirt last year. Not one. I think that's the first in like 20 years
arcBut everyday I drink tea and water out of a hackathon mug that I got from a gnome sprint 5 years ago.
arcIt could be a play on words, like including the word March but using it like walking in formation
arcEven if that is a bit english-centric
ZashPhalanX March?
mdoschLike 'March of freedom'?
arcCode March?
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mdoschTrampling down the bugs?
mdosch🤣
arcIt would also be handy if the name led easily to ideas for the artist(s) making swag art
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arcralphm: mattj: Seve: dwd: it's that time again
MattJohai
dwdIt is indeed.
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SeveI apologise, I'm on mobile and on a unstable connection, I'll try to follow but can't do much more, sorry :(
arcralphm: ?
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arcWell we have quorum but I'm not sure we have an agenda. Dwd have you substitute chaired yet?
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dwdI have not, but I am in a meeting that's overrun at work, so I can pay some attention but not enough to chair.
dwd(I mean, the meeting is that we've won a major contract and we're drinking, so...)
arcActually I slept through last week's meeting
dwdYou got more out of it than we did then.
arcWe really need to get her act together this year 😅
SeveYes
arcS/her/our
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MattJSounds like we barely have a quorum, shall we continue or skip? I don't have anything to bring up other than my concern about FOSDEM and (apparent?) lack of SCAM activity
MattJBut without anyone representing SCAM a meeting won't fix anything there
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arcWell you're drinking, seve is on a unstable connection, and I don't think any of us have agenda items. I don't see how we could have a meeting
dwdTrue enough. But we do need to gain some oversight/leadership of SCAM and the summit.
dwdSo before I get more than halfway down my pint, we could agree that.
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MattJAgreed to that
Sevenods
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dwdWho has time and cycles amongst us to do that?
MattJNobody :P (which is probably similar for SCAM I assume)
MattJI can try and do some poking this week
MattJBut I'm the worst option if there is anyone else with more time
arcI know from a different organization that I'm with that Fosdem really needs our details like last week.
dwdYes, true. It'd be great to just get an idea of what's happening, if nothign else. Can we at least commit to discuss on list?
MattJI don't even know if we applied for or received a stand
dwdMe neither.
arcWe, as in board or scam?
dwdarc, Yes.
MattJThe board did nothing, we agreed to let SCAM handle it
arcWe as a board already decided to send Fosdem to scam.
MattJ(as is usual)
dwdDid SCAM know we did?
arcThat was another week that we're off wasn't here
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arcI don't even know who is a member of scam anymore
arcBut then Ralph said that he was going to take care of it, I think?
arcIDK I have only been to Fosdem once, and only because Google paid for my trip. It's even harder now from the west coast US
Zashhttps://fosdem.org/2021/news/2020-12-11-stands-cfp/
> The deadline is the 25th of December.
MattJI'll post to the list
dwdSounds lik a sensible first step.
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SeveThank you
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emusI would like to invite everyone to take a little review if there are any branches that can be deleted: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/branches
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emusI removed a few already 🚮️ but Im not entirely sure for all of the left ones
ZashClosed + merged are probably fine to drop
emusYes I thought so
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ZashNewsletter branches from 2019 can probably go too, why are they even there?
Zashdependabot?
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emusbecause they got never merged as this, but you need to ask the authors from that time
emusno clue
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mathieuihttps://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0379.html#general_idea I just noted that the coloring on this schema is pretty funny
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Zashfunky
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mathieuiemus, how long does it take for a blog post to appear on the website?
emuszash?
emusiteam?
mathieui(I have no issues if it takes time, I was just surprised to not see it on the blog yet)
ZashIs it merged? Is the build complete? Then I think at midnight.
ZashIf anyone has opinions on how to configure the update cronjob then I'm all ears.
mathieuinah, I’m good
mathieuiif I understand it properly, building the website is a bit tricky and pelican is not very happy with our usage
ZashDon't forget Docker
Zashand Docker hub rate limits
Ge0rGan angry bird.
ZashIIRC it's currently set to some time in the morning, some time early in the evening and midnight
ZashIn which timezone ... is anyones guess.
ZashBetter than no automation at all and hoping someone from iteam is awake I hope.
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mathieuiyeah, it’s not like the website is evolving fast enough to justify doing it more often
mathieuiI’m just comparing to my own blog deployment (with pelican too) which takes 5 seconds after the push :p
mathieui(but I have neither a complex website nor a real need for isolation)
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ZashMy own is instant, but then I push directly to production ;)
Zash...and build in produciton
mathieuiI did that at some point so I will not judge you
ZashBuild on push to production, in production. WCGW
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ZashNothing, that's what, it's perfect. Also my personal website, I'll survive without it.
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ZashOk I think it's UTC, so +4h
ZashCan poke it if anyone feels strongly that now is a better time to publish
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emusthanks for replying
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wurstsalatLink Mauve, is the code (layout+css) for https://linkmauve.fr/software/clients.html published somewhere?
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mathieuiwurstsalat, https://git.linkmauve.fr/xmpp-doap.git probably (although I do not know how up-to-date that is)
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wurstsalatmathieui, that’s not including this page afaict
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mathieuiwurstsalat, my understanding is that this goes on top of the already built website