XSF Discussion - 2021-01-23

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05:27:03 arc Wondering what people think about the name Spring Relay?
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05:27:20 arc Relay as in a bunch of sprints
05:30:45 arc Calling it spring vs March has the advantage that if it becomes a regular deal, we could have a spring event done under, during our fall
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11:09:34 emus https://xmpp.org/2021/01/instant-messaging-its-not-about-the-app/ Thanks to everyone participating! 🤗️
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11:32:28 MattJ Yay, thanks for all your work on this emus :)
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11:33:06 mathieui Thanks a lot indeed!
11:34:30 emus You are welcome. Ill try to arrange some tweets tonight
11:34:56 MattJ Sounds good :)
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11:39:51 Holger 👍
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11:42:34 Daniel > You are welcome. Ill try to arrange some tweets tonight emus: be arrange you mean find the wording or do the actual tweet?
11:42:49 Daniel Because if this is about tweeting I can help you out
11:43:41 emus Daniel: Yes that - thanks. One second
11:47:58 emus > Instant Messaging: It's not about the app - #XMPP provides sovereignty of your communication https://xmpp.org/2021/01/instant-messaging-its-not-about-the-app/ #openstandards #opensource #decentralisation #interoperability
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11:49:44 emus That as a tweet would be nice. I also thought to pin it. (not that lauras is bad, I linked it in the article, too)
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11:51:29 emus Maybe we need a tiny link - any one have a trustful recommendation?
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11:52:28 Daniel i don’t think url shorting improves anything here
11:52:51 Daniel i think i don’t have the rights to pin the tweet
11:52:55 Daniel but i tweeted it
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11:56:29 emus Daniel: Thank you very much, thats alright!
11:57:15 Daniel i do agree tho
11:57:35 Daniel ~~a five year old blog post doesn’t make the best pinned tweet~~ ✎
11:57:51 Daniel a ~five~ six year old blog post doesn’t make the best pinned tweet ✏
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11:59:39 emus Yes, I just thought its good to have something current to. even so the content hasnt aged really https://twitter.com/xmpp/status/1352946729713340416?s=20
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12:00:19 emus dunno if I got a decent link there
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12:09:46 mathieui (fyi, it has been a while since twitter stopped counting link URLs in the body size, as it will add an ellipsis and only count the size of a t.co URL which is the one people will click on anyway)
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12:11:42 Daniel emus, can the blog engine insert header tags?
12:11:48 Daniel for a post?
12:12:01 mathieui ah yes, having a twitter card for xmpp.org blog posts would be nice
12:12:36 Daniel yes posting plain links on twitter ist somewhat ugly
12:12:53 Daniel i make sure to always have cards even if they don’t have a lot of content
12:13:16 emus Daniel: Unfortunately ai have few understanding of pelican. but it can be possible maybe
12:13:18 mathieui it is kind of awful that they require twitter-specific tags, facebook-specific tags, etc, though…
12:13:26 Daniel i just didn’t want delay tweeting it
12:13:43 Daniel plus you can update it later
12:13:51 mathieui it looks like there is a plugin for that: https://github.com/MichaelMartinez/twitter_card
12:14:10 emus Daniel: Lets try to review this, I will ask iTeam, maybe they have an answer
12:15:41 mathieui (otoh I guess a manual theme modification would be enough for a basic card)
12:18:04 emus ok, Im gonna review tonight
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12:25:31 edhelas here we go, retweeted :)
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12:38:46 mathieui ok, I have a metadata generator that works for articles, making a pull request
12:40:05 mathieui looks like this https://pix.mathieui.net/o/KEHds.png (but for xmpp.org as a website of course)
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12:42:32 mathieui PR-ed
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13:47:06 Neustradamus I think there is a problem of date for the last article on the XSF blog.
13:47:50 mathieui Neustradamus, well, it is the redaction date, not the publication date
13:47:57 jonas’ not this again
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13:49:38 Neustradamus It breaks the data flow ;) The date must be the validation date.
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14:51:11 emus I tend to always forget that^^
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15:08:51 moparisthebest What's a validation date
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15:11:54 moparisthebest emus: again great job on article, mind posting it https://fosstodon.org/@xmpp ?
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15:16:07 wurstsalat Seve ^ ?
15:16:50 Zash moparisthebest, "publishing date" presumably
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17:19:15 emus moparisthebest: gonna do it later, but let me have a bit of my day off ☺
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17:32:56 moparisthebest emus: xsf has no time constraints, enjoy :)
17:33:20 emus Thanks
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22:28:59 emus Any comments on this or request, that I should wait for one review? https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/870
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22:34:03 mathieui ~~emus, ad the end, it should be "an [XMPP" and not "a [XMPP"~~ ✎
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22:34:37 mathieui emus, at the end, it should be "an [XMPP" and not "a [XMPP" ✏
22:34:59 emus why actually? an only in front of vocals right?
22:36:16 mathieui it depends on the sound made by the starting letters of the word
22:36:41 mathieui in the case of XMPP, it starts with ex-, which is therefore a vowel
22:36:59 mathieui (unless you want to pronounce it "Zimpy" as per Ge0rG rules :D)
22:37:51 mathieui (my rule of thumb is "if you pronounce it and it require a pause after the a, use an", but I am not a native speaker)
22:38:24 Zash "if you pronounce it and it feels wrong, then use the other variation"
22:38:45 mathieui I did check on grammarly before making that remark though :p, to be 200% sure
22:39:03 mathieui also you put UWXP for UWPX
22:39:11 mathieui (can’t fault you for that one too much either)
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22:55:55 emus hehe, thanks for review
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23:05:19 mathieui emus: I'll try to review the french one tomorrow
23:05:43 emus Thanks, take your time!
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23:06:46 mathieui Also, what is the licensing for the blog? (E.g. is it possible to reblog on linuxfr with proper attribution? )
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23:12:25 emus Good question, from my personal side you one can reblog it with the attribution. arc, ralphm, SouL, dwd MattJ ?
23:13:44 emus I don't know if blog articles got under the same license as the Newsletter 🧐️
23:14:30 arc I would say they do
23:14:35 arc Or should
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23:15:21 emus If the board agrees, I am happy to put it under the license (add the info same as from the newsletter)
23:15:45 emus >License >This newsletter is published under CC BY-SA license.
23:16:25 arc Yeah
23:18:14 arc I'm interested in hearing what people think about the events name "Spring Relay", which would be an organized series of sprints on xmpp software and community online meetups over the course of 4-6 weeks this spring, likely starting in March
23:18:54 emus We might should also put a 4.0 https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/License_Versions
23:19:13 arc I'm thinking if we did it a second time, that would be well oriented to discuss in person at FOSDEM in February, and it gives enough time now to start organizing it.
23:19:18 MattJ Before this gets to "let's wait for Board to decide what licence the blog is under", let's say emus wrote the content and can choose to license it however
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23:20:17 arc +1 mattj, I would just say since it's going on our website it should be under a free license of some form, because if it was a controversial license it would reflect poorly on the organization
23:20:19 emus If this is a XMPP focused event, I would put it as XMPP Spring Relay or dunno any other wording with relation what it will be about
23:20:19 MattJ I don't want reblogging held up for another week on a silly discussion like that, nobody is going to sue for copyright infringement - pick a CC and go for it :)
23:20:39 arc Emus xmpp spring relay is fine
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23:21:17 emus MattJ, okay - I'm asking as this is on a official page from XSF, so I dont wanna go crazy with that stuff
23:21:42 arc Emus, it sounds like you have good judgment and I've already spent far too much time thinking about this 😅
23:21:53 emus As I put a new commit to the text. Does it make sense to change the header date? It is actually wrong^^. Or will this create a republish?
23:22:05 arc s/I've/have
23:22:09 MattJ We can (and should) determine what licence blog contributions are to be placed under, but in the short term: you choose something you're happy with and let mathieui know
23:22:25 emus Ok
23:22:31 SamWhited emus: Don't worry about the date.
23:22:56 arc Conversations needs past message edit support.
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23:24:27 arc I'm looking for feedback because I'm working with our arts team and we're producing a short promo video (in webb/ogg of course)
23:25:32 arc And I need to get the proposal too SCAM, start looking for small contributions from corporate sponsors
23:26:13 arc Cisco, nike, intel, google, microsoft, to name a few easy ones.
23:28:23 arc Hey btw since I'm in inkscape, just a side thought, does anyone have the font file for the xmpp logo handy? Is there one?
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23:34:26 arc So far I've only talked to nike and they seem open to chipping in a few hundred. They apparently have a budget left over from last year for open source that didn't get used because all the conferences were canceled
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23:46:46 arc So my general thinking is, that might be pretty common among. So even with international shipping we should be able to manage swag and such
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23:56:36 emus Can you tell a bit more on the Spring? Havent read on this yet
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