XSF Discussion - 2021-01-28


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  312. MHHHMY Can anybody tell me what is this all about cause i came here by mistake?
  313. MattJ It's about developing XMPP, an open communication protocol. Welcome :)
  314. MHHHMY i see, so can i ask a question that doesn't has anything to do with developing "XMPP" ?
  315. MHHHMY How do i use "XMPP" to chat with someone?
  316. vanitasvitae you already do 🙂
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  318. MHHHMY yeah i took so long for anyone to reply so i asked any way
  319. MHHHMY *it
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  326. Zash Is a question about asking questions a question that doesn't have anything to do with XMPP development?
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  329. jonas’ MHHHMY, the answer worked for both of your questinos.
  330. jonas’ You’re already chatting using XMPP.
  331. Zash Looks like they left a long time ago.
  332. jonas’ thanks Dino
  333. jonas’ for still offering me the name for completion nontheless
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  346. Holger jonas’: It's 2021, MUC is no longer presence-based.
  347. Zash except when it is
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  349. Holger Was only half-joking, I'm sometimes annoyed by clients *not* completing offline members.
  350. Holger Obviously clients should complete the nick if the user comes back, and not do it otherwise.
  351. mathieui Holger, offline members, sure, offline participants, less
  352. Holger I'll agree with "less" 🙂
  353. Holger Do it sometimes.
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  366. jonas’ Holger, I like what conversations does (showing a "The user has left the room" toast(?)), but every other client doesn’t complete absent people, which I like
  367. jonas’ because that’s an easy way to find if someone is still in the room
  368. jonas’ which is especially hard to do otherwise with occupant lists sorted by affiliation and whatnot
  369. Zash dreams of visual hints
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  371. lovetox couldnt you just show a status indicator
  372. lovetox and if its grey or black the person is not currently joined
  373. jonas’ where?
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  375. Zash N900 MUC view had status dots in the corner of the avatars IIRC
  376. Zash Or next to them? Found a screenshot: https://www.nolapeles.com/2009/08/30/nokia-n900-y-maemo-5-respuesta-impelable/
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  383. moparisthebest jonas’, (apologies, can't remember which MUC this discussion started in yesterday) re: jitsi interop via iframe https://developer.8x8.com/jaas/docs
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  397. lovetox jonas in the muc roster list?
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  460. jonas’ lovetox, a non-member?
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  463. lovetox ok maybe i dont understand this sentence
  464. lovetox > I like what conversations does (showing a "The user has left the room" toast(?)), but every other client doesn’t complete absent people, which I like
  465. lovetox you like that conversations shows that a user left, BUT every other client *doesnt* complete absent people?
  466. lovetox so all clients show users that have left?
  467. lovetox im not following that observation at all
  468. Zash lovetox, it shows them that when you try to mention them (by clicking their avatar)
  469. Zash Desktop client equivalent would probably be when you tab-complete their nick or somesuch
  470. lovetox so this is only about tab completion
  471. lovetox but why wouldnt i complete the name, the user comes back later
  472. Zash No
  473. Zash The root problem is that you have no way of knowing if they're still there when you write something.
  474. lovetox ah ok, so you want a hint when you tab complete
  475. lovetox and thats what C shows
  476. Zash In some clients you can tell by the nickname being gone from tab complete, like poezio.
  477. lovetox ok i understand, yes thats indeed very nice of C
  478. lovetox in that light my remark about user status makes of course not much sense
  479. lovetox :)
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