XSF Discussion - 2021-01-28

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17:34:44 MHHHMY Can anybody tell me what is this all about cause i came here by mistake?
17:35:33 MattJ It's about developing XMPP, an open communication protocol. Welcome :)
17:37:19 MHHHMY i see, so can i ask a question that doesn't has anything to do with developing "XMPP" ?
17:39:03 MHHHMY How do i use "XMPP" to chat with someone?
17:39:16 vanitasvitae you already do 🙂
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17:39:52 MHHHMY yeah i took so long for anyone to reply so i asked any way
17:40:09 MHHHMY *it
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17:43:42 Zash Is a question about asking questions a question that doesn't have anything to do with XMPP development?
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17:45:47 jonas’ MHHHMY, the answer worked for both of your questinos.
17:45:51 jonas’ You’re already chatting using XMPP.
17:45:59 Zash Looks like they left a long time ago.
17:46:04 jonas’ thanks Dino
17:46:12 jonas’ for still offering me the name for completion nontheless
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18:38:48 Holger jonas’: It's 2021, MUC is no longer presence-based.
18:39:08 Zash except when it is
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18:40:02 Holger Was only half-joking, I'm sometimes annoyed by clients *not* completing offline members.
18:40:36 Holger Obviously clients should complete the nick if the user comes back, and not do it otherwise.
18:40:43 mathieui Holger, offline members, sure, offline participants, less
18:41:02 Holger I'll agree with "less" 🙂
18:41:07 Holger Do it sometimes.
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19:05:46 jonas’ Holger, I like what conversations does (showing a "The user has left the room" toast(?)), but every other client doesn’t complete absent people, which I like
19:05:55 jonas’ because that’s an easy way to find if someone is still in the room
19:06:05 jonas’ which is especially hard to do otherwise with occupant lists sorted by affiliation and whatnot
19:06:36 Zash dreams of visual hints
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19:11:29 lovetox couldnt you just show a status indicator
19:11:41 lovetox and if its grey or black the person is not currently joined
19:11:50 jonas’ where?
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19:17:15 Zash N900 MUC view had status dots in the corner of the avatars IIRC
19:19:43 Zash Or next to them? Found a screenshot: https://www.nolapeles.com/2009/08/30/nokia-n900-y-maemo-5-respuesta-impelable/
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19:25:53 moparisthebest jonas’, (apologies, can't remember which MUC this discussion started in yesterday) re: jitsi interop via iframe https://developer.8x8.com/jaas/docs
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19:40:36 lovetox jonas in the muc roster list?
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21:03:25 jonas’ lovetox, a non-member?
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21:08:09 lovetox ok maybe i dont understand this sentence
21:08:12 lovetox > I like what conversations does (showing a "The user has left the room" toast(?)), but every other client doesn’t complete absent people, which I like
21:08:37 lovetox you like that conversations shows that a user left, BUT every other client *doesnt* complete absent people?
21:08:47 lovetox so all clients show users that have left?
21:09:01 lovetox im not following that observation at all
21:09:02 Zash lovetox, it shows them that when you try to mention them (by clicking their avatar)
21:09:20 Zash Desktop client equivalent would probably be when you tab-complete their nick or somesuch
21:09:55 lovetox so this is only about tab completion
21:10:13 lovetox but why wouldnt i complete the name, the user comes back later
21:10:13 Zash No
21:10:39 Zash The root problem is that you have no way of knowing if they're still there when you write something.
21:11:09 lovetox ah ok, so you want a hint when you tab complete
21:11:14 lovetox and thats what C shows
21:11:19 Zash In some clients you can tell by the nickname being gone from tab complete, like poezio.
21:12:03 lovetox ok i understand, yes thats indeed very nice of C
21:12:42 lovetox in that light my remark about user status makes of course not much sense
21:12:43 lovetox :)
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