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MHHHMY
Can anybody tell me what is this all about cause i came here by mistake?
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MattJ
It's about developing XMPP, an open communication protocol. Welcome :)
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MHHHMY
i see, so can i ask a question that doesn't has anything to do with developing "XMPP" ?
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MHHHMY
How do i use "XMPP" to chat with someone?
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vanitasvitae
you already do 🙂
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MHHHMY
yeah i took so long for anyone to reply so i asked any way
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MHHHMY
*it
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Zash
Is a question about asking questions a question that doesn't have anything to do with XMPP development?
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jonas’
MHHHMY, the answer worked for both of your questinos.
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jonas’
You’re already chatting using XMPP.
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Zash
Looks like they left a long time ago.
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jonas’
thanks Dino
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jonas’
for still offering me the name for completion nontheless
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Holger
jonas’: It's 2021, MUC is no longer presence-based.
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Zash
except when it is
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Holger
Was only half-joking, I'm sometimes annoyed by clients *not* completing offline members.
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Holger
Obviously clients should complete the nick if the user comes back, and not do it otherwise.
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mathieui
Holger, offline members, sure, offline participants, less
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Holger
I'll agree with "less" 🙂
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Holger
Do it sometimes.
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jonas’
Holger, I like what conversations does (showing a "The user has left the room" toast(?)), but every other client doesn’t complete absent people, which I like
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jonas’
because that’s an easy way to find if someone is still in the room
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jonas’
which is especially hard to do otherwise with occupant lists sorted by affiliation and whatnot
- Zash dreams of visual hints
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lovetox
couldnt you just show a status indicator
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lovetox
and if its grey or black the person is not currently joined
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jonas’
where?
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Zash
N900 MUC view had status dots in the corner of the avatars IIRC
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Zash
Or next to them? Found a screenshot: https://www.nolapeles.com/2009/08/30/nokia-n900-y-maemo-5-respuesta-impelable/
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moparisthebest
jonas’, (apologies, can't remember which MUC this discussion started in yesterday) re: jitsi interop via iframe https://developer.8x8.com/jaas/docs
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lovetox
jonas in the muc roster list?
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jonas’
lovetox, a non-member?
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lovetox
ok maybe i dont understand this sentence
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lovetox
> I like what conversations does (showing a "The user has left the room" toast(?)), but every other client doesn’t complete absent people, which I like
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lovetox
you like that conversations shows that a user left, BUT every other client *doesnt* complete absent people?
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lovetox
so all clients show users that have left?
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lovetox
im not following that observation at all
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Zash
lovetox, it shows them that when you try to mention them (by clicking their avatar)
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Zash
Desktop client equivalent would probably be when you tab-complete their nick or somesuch
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lovetox
so this is only about tab completion
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lovetox
but why wouldnt i complete the name, the user comes back later
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Zash
No
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Zash
The root problem is that you have no way of knowing if they're still there when you write something.
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lovetox
ah ok, so you want a hint when you tab complete
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lovetox
and thats what C shows
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Zash
In some clients you can tell by the nickname being gone from tab complete, like poezio.
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lovetox
ok i understand, yes thats indeed very nice of C
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lovetox
in that light my remark about user status makes of course not much sense
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lovetox
:)