XSF Discussion - 2021-02-09

Zash, https://code.matthewwild.co.uk/clix/ shows last changes from 2014 and that thing still supports MAM?

I need to merge Zash's PRs 🙂

Who currently implements XEP-0444: Message Reactions (or plans to)? edhelas, larma?

edhelas does, afaik; I have an up-to-date slixmpp implementation and I need to go back to the POC branch I made for poezio 3 years ago

I do

Ok, thanks. Sounds like the path forward then :)

The only thing that worries me with this approach is correctly aggregating the reactions for display in the UI

MattJ: there was a request for Monal as well. but I guess that is not a priority

The deployment that wants this is currently using Converse.js, and it's struggling enough with sync problems already. But that's likely just something that needs fixing in Converse.js...

I choosed to display it the Signal/Discord way (simple quote), and not the Slack/Mattermost way (threads)

So no aggregation/counts?

wow no

Hm? I don't understand.

https://mov.im/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/Movim/reply-to-chat-messages-a-new-movim-feature-coming-soon-dB0P1v

oh no wait, I though we were talking about Reply, not Reactions

edhelas, that’s not 0444, isn’t it?

Yeah reactions have counts and aggregation :) My bad

Ah, k :)

Works pretty well and its used quite a lot on Movim :)

I was going to say, people like to use them for polls, so counting is generally required for that use-case

I think it's a pretty good XEP, not that hard to implement and just "do the job"

(and since you are supposed to fill the gaps in history with MAM, if you get the original message, you also get the reactions as well)

Well, obviously something like logs.xmpp.org wouldn't be able to display reactions

Sure it could, as long as you don't react to something from yesterday

true

Zash, right, but in the case of polls people will get unhappy about incorrect counts ;)

In a "product" I can easily imagine someone making the call that there is a valid time window for reactions, and after that they are ignored

If you're going to react to something from a long long time ago, you'll have to excuse me for not doing that without support from the storage layer.

MattJ, looking forward to yet another complete redesign of the storage layer? 🙂

:S

Might be fixed along MIX when it will arrive, soon ™

*along with

for a reactions and proper counting storage would need to support something like https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0422.html

I found the argument that aggregation will need per-spec rules convincing.

I think whatever you do, you don’t want per-spec fetching, though. I think you want that aggregated.

So even if you don’t want 422, I think you need 427 (give or take).

Hi, where do board minutes live? I went to the mailing list but I don't see any for this year

The members mailing list is the official destination

I'm not sure how many meetings there have been so far this year, but at least one of them had me as the minute-taker and I haven't got around to writing them up yet

Unfortunately finding volunteer minute-takers got increasingly hard the past couple of terms

Thanks. FWIW if volunteers are the issue I'm happy to help. As long as I'm not part of the meeting I can take minutes (if it's something I'm in I can't for the life of me pay attention and take minutes at the same time)

Maybe we can ask each members to once a year to do this?

I hear the key to good meeting minutes is to write them before the meeting.

Is someone channeling their inner Kev?

Write minutes, skip the meeting

Sounds like time traveling - nice!

You see, before the meeting, they're called "agenda".

And "suggested decisions"

And above ground the magma is called lava. Wait, what were we talking about?

^^ agenda =/= meeting minutes

but we are getting off-topic

meeting minutes := agenda + decisions

MattJ: That was (I’m assuming you wrote it) a very good post.

Thanks!