XSF Discussion - 2021-02-18

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  114. emus arc: But the reason is to provide extra payment that Google does not?
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  119. arc I do not believe that Google supports that. I was suggesting that we use our own funding for Outreachy
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  122. arc Google has a specific relationship with students and I do not believe their legal structure allows us to commingle with that.
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  126. arc But we, the XSF, can find Outreachy students working on xmpp projects. And that's where other FOSS organizations are shifting their energy as well
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  129. emus Ah ok
  130. arc Over the last decade we haven't put very much energy into sponsorships. We could very easily secure recurring sponsorships to fund numerous Outreachy students every year.
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  132. arc At the same time I'm not saying that we should stop doing GSoC. I think it will still have a great deal of benefit even at reduced funding.
  133. arc GSoC is specifically open to straight men, which Outreachy isn't. Outreachy targets women, LGBT, and in the US racial minorities. Where GSoC targets college students (or anyone smart enough to enroll for a single community college class) of any race, gender, or sexual identification.
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  135. arc Given how incredibly male the XSF is, I think participating in Outreachy can do us a world of good.
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  137. Daniel arc: do you need anything to get started?
  138. arc We can use Conversation tasks on https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Summer_of_Code_2021
  139. Daniel Since GSoC has been tied to the sprint this year and sprint has the requirement of teams I can't participate this year
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  141. arc The Sprint does not require teams. The project's list on the wiki is just for people looking to recruit new developers, vs people working on solo projects
  142. arc I am working on solo projects myself.
  143. arc And they're not really "tied", I just timed them so that the sprints can help in community engagement during the application period
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  145. Daniel > Participating projects should be team-based with seasoned developers It's not?
  146. arc That defines the list on the wiki only, so that new developers are not left to figure out which are solo projects
  147. arc Would you like to reword that to be less confusing?
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  154. arc The Sprint is for everyone who wants to participate to work on any xmpp project. The list is for people looking to recruit new developers
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  257. marc Where is the list?
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  425. Zash Does anyone remember why the avatar metadata node in XEP-0084 uses the hash of the image as item id, as opposed to "current" like most PEP things?
  426. Kev Not me.
  427. Zash Ho, it's "current" in https://xmpp.org/extensions/attic/jep-0084-0.5.html
  428. mathieui Zash, isn’t that so you can fetch the avatar data by itemid by using its hash? (and also prevent multiple publications of the same image with different ids)
  429. mathieui (but I haven’t seen that discussion so I am only speculating)
  430. Zash mathieui: for the data itself, sure. but the metadata carries that info in an attribute.
  431. mathieui ah yes
  432. mathieui maybe because it was somehow easier if they are the same? idk
  433. Zash so you end up duplicating that hash
  434. mathieui Zash, "(the match between the ItemID of the data node and metadata node is used by the subscriber to determine if a locally cached copy can be displayed)." from 3.2
  435. Zash I may have looked at this before.
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  439. Zash > Subject: Protocol Action: 'Hypertext Transfer Protocol Version 3 (HTTP/3)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-quic-http-34.txt) hmmm
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  442. Zash mathieui: if you see the item id, you also see the item itself with the hash(es)
  443. Zash Could have made sense if it used notifications without payloads, but then it wouldn't have needed to split metadata and payload
  444. Kev *Maybe* some implementations back then lacked notification without payload, or some such argument. But I really don’t remember.
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  457. Zash Multiple resolutions (which nobody does afaik) wouldn't work that way tho
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  485. mathieui I hope I have not overstepped my boundaries by editing the applications wiki page to put 2021 instead of 2020, Alex :)
  486. SamWhited Is that actual date right? I mean, obviously it was meant to be 2021, but is it March 9th?
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  488. mathieui Looking at previous years, I am not sure the dates for end of applications and the meeting follow a particular pattern
  489. mathieui but since the days are different from 2020, I think the dates are right, only the year is wrong
  490. SamWhited oh, good point
  491. Alex thanks mathieui‎ 👍
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  555. lovetox some things in 0084 are just weird
  556. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0084.html#example-4
  557. lovetox yeah so you want to publish a gif
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  560. lovetox but you need the sha of a png to publish it
  561. Zash waaaaait what
  562. mathieui yeah that is suspicious
  563. lovetox yeah but it breaks nothing, and noone can actually verify the sha
  564. lovetox and it does not matter anyway
  565. lovetox because you are supposed to pull the gif from http
  566. lovetox so you can just use any id you want
  567. lovetox and just pretend its the sha of a non existing png
  568. L29Ah i wonder what was the reason behind this
  569. Zash If it's adding another format, shouldn't that publish look more like https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0084.html#example-10 ?
  570. lovetox no Zash, you are not forced to publish a png, you can just only use a http method
  571. lovetox according to the xep
  572. lovetox and in light of the multiple format thingy its even more useless that one chosen image sha is set as id
  573. Zash Anyone up for sitting down and rewriting this to do what we all think it's meant to say? :)
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  576. lovetox i just dont know why its a MUST to set the sha to the item id
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  578. lovetox the only thing it could be that people back then thought we send pubsub notifications without payload?
  579. Zash The metadata item id can just be "current", and contain 1 or more <info> refering to either blobs in the data node or something else.
  580. lovetox i know at least one impl that depends on the id beeing the sha 😋️
  581. lovetox rightfully so when you read the xep :)
  582. lovetox so i dont get my hopes up that this xep will be changed
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  584. lovetox everybody uses this with one avatar anyway
  585. Zash Not me!
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  610. arc marc: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Spring_Relay_2021
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