XSF Discussion - 2021-03-07


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  160. Stefan https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html Has a version date in the future (2021-11-27)
  161. MattJ Ha
  162. jonas’ oh no
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  172. mathieui XMPP is the future, now there is no denying it!
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  205. Zash Is https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0234.html stuck in dark mode or is it just a local bug?
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  207. Sam Zash: WOMM
  208. Zash -ENOACRONYM
  209. MattJ Works on his machine
  210. edhelas mathieui next Humorous XEP could be Stanza over Time
  211. mdosch mrdoctorwho might be helpful there.
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  252. croax emus: > Hi, is there anyone else (especially if there are any outlook users) that experience that the newsletter ends up in spam? Yes. No DKIM/SPF for sender domain.
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  257. mdosch > Authentication-Results: mail.mdosch.de; dkim=pass header.d=mail4.tinyletterapp.com; spf=pass Works here.
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  270. croax mdosch: mail.mdosch.de does not match nayego.net which is the domain of from field
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  285. mdosch That's only envelope from, so literally anything can be written there. This is the one delivering > Received: from mail4.tinyletterapp.com (mail4.tinyletterapp.com [198.2.175.82]) by mail.mdosch.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA94B102CB3 for <spam-xmpp-org@mdosch.de>; Sat, 6 Mar 2021 17:35:53 +0100 (CET)
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  287. mdosch But I'm not a Mailserver expert.
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  374. croax AFAIK, DKIM does not require any link between e-mail content and Signer ID (SDID or AUID) but DMARC does (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7489.html#section-1) > The basic outline of DMARC is as follows: > [...] > 2. Receivers compare the RFC5322.From address in the mail to the SPF > and DKIM results, if present, and the DMARC policy in DNS. It is not requested to be DMARC compliant, especially when you don't advertise a DMARC policy, but this could trigger a *default policy* of receiver in case of DKIM domain mismatch. As SPF also (soft) fails, maybe the simplest thing would be first (or only) to include this relay server address in SPF policy record of sender.
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  376. mathieui In XEP-0313, I think example 5 is an editing accident, as it has no relevance here (the paragraph above refers to example 4)
  377. mathieui (cc MattJ)
  378. MattJ Yep, I agree
  379. MattJ Oh, it's left over from the pubsub stuff (which is now separate)
  380. mathieui also, candid question after reading the text again, is there any client who does not use a queryid right now?
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  386. emus Yeah, regarding croax and mdosch: Again I would be really happy to have something like an official email
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  390. lovetox mathieui, how would that work without?
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  392. mathieui lovetox, I guess you can just do some fuzzy matching based on message origin and internal message metadata
  393. mathieui but that looks like a recipe for disaster
  394. lovetox i mean yes technically it would work, but not beeing able to determine that messages you receive belong to a speciifc query seems bad
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