XSF Discussion - 2021-03-26


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  138. Daniel Sam, emus: do we want to tweet something for the office hours later
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  140. Daniel (now that I'm writing that I realize that I don't really understand that term. Lol)
  141. Daniel I'm interpreting the term as opening hours or business hours. I don't understand the relationship to what we are doing.
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  147. Kev Office hours are a time when someone (manager, lecturer etc.) is available in their office for people who need to go in and chat.
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  150. Kev (As opposed to the rest of the time, when they’re busy)
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  155. emus Daniel: let me formulate something for fosstodon, then you can copy paste if you want for twitter?
  156. emus but yes would be good
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  196. Sam Daniel: That would be great! Thanks! I forgot to ask this week
  197. Sam I'm open to new naming suggestions too
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  200. Zash The XMPP Standards Foundation Bike Shed Color Selection Committee Discussion Panel
  201. sebastian XSFBSCSCDP
  202. sebastian what is the talk about today?
  203. sebastian not that i'd be able to join, but i'm curious to know what i'll miss ;D
  204. Sam If it's not a term that translates it's probably worth thinking about and changing :)
  205. Sam Todays is "Designing Message Styling" by me
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  207. sebastian thx. will you record the session?
  208. Sam Next week the time is different, then we'll have a new regular time the week after so keep an eye om the schedule :)
  209. Sam I'll try
  210. sebastian yeah... it's rarely that i make it to such public online talks. Usually i just hope they are recorded and i can watch them when i have time
  211. sebastian as for a name suggestion... "XMPP townhall"?
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  214. sebastian (not particularly innovative, but i think it somehow implies a public gathering to discuss and present stuff... not sure if i even understood correctly what you are trying to achieve with your friday meetings :))
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  220. dwd I'd go for somehing with "open" in the name, so we can riff on open standards, open ?talks?, or something.
  221. Zash Open Instant (audio) Messaging Party
  222. Sam I like 'townhall' a lot. I was thinking it needs to explain what it is, an dif office hours doesn't translate townhall might.
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  252. vanitasvitae Reminder for the OpenPGP meeting today. We are starting in 1h from now 🙂
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  255. Sam I've asked a couple of times and never gotten a response, but who actually has access to Twitter?
  256. Daniel I have indirect access via tweetdeck
  257. Kev And me.
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  259. emus Working on the tweet
  260. emus sorry jsut forgot
  261. Sam Cool, good to know, I'll start pestering you two when we need something tweeted then :)
  262. emus *toot
  263. Kev I don’t use it other than granting people tweetdeck access when asked though.
  264. Daniel I think I made the vast majority of the last couple of tweets
  265. emus Thanks for that
  266. Daniel Not writing the text but copying what we have on mastodon
  267. emus give me 5 mins
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  269. emus any additonal hashtag suggestions apart from: #federated #decentralization #standards #jabber
  270. emus #xmpp
  271. emus Sam?
  272. emus #interoperability
  273. Sam Since you asked that already seems like way too many that aren't actually used and don't help IMO, but we don't have to write the tweet by committee :)
  274. goffi vanitasvitae: where will be the OX meeting? I can't find it on wiki. I'll try to join and follow, but with on ear only, I'm busy with other things.
  275. Sam Whatever you think is best I'm sure will be fine :)
  276. emus Kev, would you mind the pin the recent xsf blog article I wrote? I think I already wrote an email. Daniel said it need admin permission
  277. emus Sam ok
  278. emus But why to much? I prefer to go a bit over the horizon?
  279. Sam I dunno, more than 2 or 3 just makes me assume a tweet is spam. I don't know why though.
  280. goffi vanitasvitae: nevermind, found it: https://meet.jit.si/AdventurousOxenTrotStandardized
  281. Daniel Fwiw I'm also not the biggest fan of hashtags. Feels either unnatural as written by a social media team in the 2010s or like someone using them ironically on Instagram
  282. Daniel But I don't have any hard feelings on that and will just tweet whatever
  283. vanitasvitae goffi, Good idea to create a wiki page
  284. vanitasvitae I will do that
  285. goffi vanitasvitae: well it's my first guess to find a meeting, checking standard@ mail thread is not super handy
  286. emus I just put them in the end, like "real tags". I don't think one will accuse us of trying to send negative submessages with that
  287. vanitasvitae I agree
  288. emus Daniel. https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/105956292858759243
  289. goffi vanitasvitae: and it could be nice when you do a reminder in a MUC room like here, to paste the link directly
  290. emus Daniel: https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/105956292858759243
  291. vanitasvitae true
  292. emus vanitasvitae, goffi, you also need a toot?
  293. vanitasvitae A toot would be nice indeed
  294. vanitasvitae 😀
  295. emus Sam, as ususally, I cannot join Fridays as I have a fixed private appointment, so it's not that I dont have interest!
  296. Sam Not to worry. Next week is at a different time for the presenters schedule, after that I'll change the default and desperately hope we get more signups :)
  297. emus ☺️
  298. Daniel couldn’t fit all of them into 280 chars anyway
  299. emus ah damn it
  300. vanitasvitae https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OX_Meeting
  301. deuill Not sure if this is possible/available already, but is there an iCal link or something we can use to keep track of XSF events?
  302. emus maybe remote the last part with the link to the wiki
  303. vanitasvitae Here is a quick wiki page with links and date
  304. Sam deuill: there is, it's on the main page of the wiki somewhere IIRC
  305. emus starts in about 30 mins, right?
  306. vanitasvitae emus, yep
  307. Sam deuill: look under "Upcoming Events" on the wiki home page
  308. emus https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/105956322349510053
  309. vanitasvitae perfect
  310. vanitasvitae thanks 🙂
  311. goffi I've an experimental events over Pubsub feature by the way, and implementing a compatiblity with ActivityPub mobilizon is part of the grant I'll do. It would be nice to use if for XMPP events (maybe in a while when it will be more stable and I'll find time to propose protoXEPs).
  312. emus by the way we reached more than 1100 followers on Fosstodon
  313. deuill Oh nice, thanks for the pointer Sam!
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  318. Kev emus: I’ve no idea how to do that, but I shall take a look.
  319. emus vanitasvitae - I guess there is potential for your next blog post if it not already exists :)
  320. emus Hey Kev, thanks! I just checked for a step-by-step explanation https://www.wikihow.com/Pin-a-Tweet-to-Your-Twitter-Home-Page (but I guess you would have figured out yourself)
  321. vanitasvitae emus, sorry, about what exactly?
  322. emus why pgpg
  323. emus why pgp
  324. vanitasvitae 😀 I see
  325. Kev emus: Was that what you wanted?
  326. Kev Oh, I didn’t see you paste that howto, thanks. But I think I’ve done it already.
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  328. emus Kev, thank almost, I just meant this post: https://nitter.nixnet.services/xmpp/status/1352946729713340416#m
  329. emus https://twitter.com/xmpp/status/1352946729713340416
  330. emus acutally meant*
  331. Kev That one was pinned already, I had to unpin that to pin the one I thought you meant :)
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  335. emus Are you sure? I just saw the one from 2015 - then sorry for that
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  337. Kev Maybe I’m wrong, not the first time.
  338. Kev Anyway, is the right one pinned now?
  339. emus but thanks a lot!
  340. emus Yes - aweome ❤️
  341. emus Yes - awesome ❤️
  342. Kev Fab.
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  346. emus I wish everyone great meetings, I'm on the run now. Its also end of month, so may also consider any news for the Newsletter 😉 https://yopad.eu/p/xmpp-newsletter-365days
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  428. Sam XMPP Office Hours are starting in 10 minutes! https://socialcoop.meet.coop/sam-pku-dud-niv
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  433. L29Ah It looks like you're using an older version of a supported browser. Please upgrade your browser for full support.
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  435. Sam :( This is the only thing I can find about browser support https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html#what-are-the-minimum-requirements-for-the-bigbluebutton-client
  436. moparisthebest working in firefox for me, 86 looks like
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  454. Sam I did try to record it for whomever asked (can't figure out which room that was in, so just leaving it here assuming whomever it was is here too), but apparently it didn't save? I went back and tried to learn how afterwards and I can't find a save button anywhere, the recording just goes away as soon as I end the call.
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  456. L29Ah sounds like a web application
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  495. sebastian Sam: i asked. Thanks that you tried. For future recordings you might want to keep OBS in mind, If the BBB recording does not work 🙂
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  498. Sam The internet suggests that this did work and that it just takes a long time to post process (and that there's no indication that your video exists in the mean time) so it may be that I just have to wait a while
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  500. Sam I'm not familiar with OBS
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  503. moparisthebest > sounds like a web application 🤣️
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  505. Sam Oh I see, this is a streaming thing. I think it needs to be a video chat thing where others can talk back too to facilitate round tables and questions and the like. If the user has to be on youtube or something, or loading the stream, and join a room (but there's also youtube or facebook chat), etc. things just get confusing
  506. Sam but we'll see. Let me log back in and see if it ever finished
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  509. moparisthebest oh I thought he just meant use OBS to record to a file that you could share later
  510. Sam Oh, maybe it's a recorder too? The thing I looked up looked like it was just for streaming
  511. Sam I definitely don't have the bandwidth to figure out some external thing, but if BBB doesn't work someone else is welcome to figure out recording and do that (assuming the presenter that week approves)
  512. moparisthebest OBS can definitely record to a file, but so can, say, ffmpeg
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  514. Sam I am definitely not spending time trying to convince ffmpeg to do anything :) that's always a losing battle.
  515. moparisthebest I'll play around with ffmpeg and see if I can get it to just record 1 window, if so, I'll volunteer to record it
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  517. Sam Thanks!
  518. Sam Hopefully BBB will randomly finish processing and it won't be an issue, we'll see.
  519. moparisthebest I don't really want to install OBS or learn a GUI program either... :P
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  551. sebastian > oh I thought he just meant use OBS to record to a file that you could share later moparisthebest: Sam exactly. You can record with OBS.
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  554. sebastian > I don't really want to install OBS or learn a GUI program either... :P It is more or less intuitive 😉
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  556. L29Ah yup
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  568. moparisthebest intuitive: ffmpeg -video_size 1024x768 -framerate 25 -f x11grab -i :0.0+100,200 -f alsa -ac 2 -i hw:0 output.mkv not intuitive: clicking anything with a mouse >:) ( https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Desktop )
  569. Zash Isn't it a bit weird to record video from the camera, show it on the desktop, record the desktop...
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  572. moparisthebest I was just planning on recording the entire window, which is maybe some video, a presentation, and the chat ?
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  576. L29Ah obs allows you to pick a window you want to record
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  579. eevvoor The new MUC for the brand new OX: xmpp:ox@conference.jabber.de?join 😉️ let's celebrate the year of the OX.
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  582. moparisthebest the year of the question https://i.imgflip.com/53ayjs.jpg
  583. Zash And then MLS in the corner
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  585. moparisthebest my impression is that's dead in the water
  586. Zash In what way?
  587. moparisthebest is a single client dev involved in MLS or is it a design-by-committee thing ?
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  589. Zash I don't know, I think it's a bunch of the currently non-federated chat apps and some Matrix folks
  590. moparisthebest sounds dead to me
  591. Zash So you're saying it'll win?
  592. moparisthebest I'd bet MIX will be widely deployed before it is
  593. Daniel Wire is pretty heavily involved, no?
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  595. Daniel I don't know if they are sending their developers but at least it's people from that company
  596. Zash I also got the impression from the architecture docs that it's made for eventually consistent protocols and federated message passing is not something considered.
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  599. Zash Requiring a reliable transport and such, which happens to be pretty hard in a federated system.
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  601. Zash Might have seen someone mention that, so maybe it'll get fixed.
  602. Zash I'm just lurking on the mailing list so far. I'd encourage you to do the same. If nothing else there might be ideas that could be applicable to OMEMO/OX.
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  606. moparisthebest sounds like you can count on them purposefully designing it to exclude federation then
  607. Daniel I generally find it to be slightly more difficult to get involved with ietf working groups than in was with the xsf
  608. Zash I also think the idea is to get it reviewed in the way TLS 1.3 got
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  610. Daniel I generally find it to be slightly more difficult to get involved with ietf working groups than with the xsf
  611. Zash Daniel, signing up for some mailing list and lurking should be about as hard, no?
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  614. Daniel I'm doing the lurking part successfully
  615. Zash The $800+travel expenses 3 times per year is a bit hefty tho.
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  618. Zash Tho the XSF has sponsored that kind of thing in the past, so shouldn't be a huge problem.
  619. Daniel Yes we talked about that specifically wrt to MLS
  620. Daniel But covid
  621. Zash Yes, covid
  622. Daniel In person it might actually be easier I guess.
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  624. Zash Haven't actually attended the online IETF they do now, just lurked in hallways.
  625. Daniel But I had a hard time phrasing questions in a smart enough manner to not simply be ignored on the list
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  634. Sam sebastian: looks like there is a recording now, just no indication that it was processing. I'll find somewhere to put it up shortly.
  635. sebastian Sam: no rush 🙂 thx
  636. Sam Seems like a pretty serious UX issue with BBB.
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  641. Sam LInk is updated in the schedule.
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  662. Sam sebastian: no idea how to private message from this client. Sorry about the link being hidden, you're correct it's on the right most column of the spreadsheet. Here it is: https://youtu.be/WFEXWtQIHM8
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  666. sebastian Thanks 😁👍
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