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Daniel
Sam, emus: do we want to tweet something for the office hours later
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Daniel
(now that I'm writing that I realize that I don't really understand that term. Lol)
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Daniel
I'm interpreting the term as opening hours or business hours. I don't understand the relationship to what we are doing.
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Kev
Office hours are a time when someone (manager, lecturer etc.) is available in their office for people who need to go in and chat.
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Kev
(As opposed to the rest of the time, when theyโre busy)
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emus
Daniel: let me formulate something for fosstodon, then you can copy paste if you want for twitter?
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emus
but yes would be good
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Sam
Daniel: That would be great! Thanks! I forgot to ask this week
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Sam
I'm open to new naming suggestions too
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Zash
The XMPP Standards Foundation Bike Shed Color Selection Committee Discussion Panel
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sebastian
XSFBSCSCDP
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sebastian
what is the talk about today?
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sebastian
not that i'd be able to join, but i'm curious to know what i'll miss ;D
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Sam
If it's not a term that translates it's probably worth thinking about and changing :)
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Sam
Todays is "Designing Message Styling" by me
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sebastian
thx. will you record the session?
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Sam
Next week the time is different, then we'll have a new regular time the week after so keep an eye om the schedule :)
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Sam
I'll try
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sebastian
yeah... it's rarely that i make it to such public online talks. Usually i just hope they are recorded and i can watch them when i have time
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sebastian
as for a name suggestion... "XMPP townhall"?
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sebastian
(not particularly innovative, but i think it somehow implies a public gathering to discuss and present stuff... not sure if i even understood correctly what you are trying to achieve with your friday meetings :))
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dwd
I'd go for somehing with "open" in the name, so we can riff on open standards, open ?talks?, or something.
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Zash
Open Instant (audio) Messaging Party
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Sam
I like 'townhall' a lot. I was thinking it needs to explain what it is, an dif office hours doesn't translate townhall might.
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vanitasvitae
Reminder for the OpenPGP meeting today. We are starting in 1h from now ๐
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Sam
I've asked a couple of times and never gotten a response, but who actually has access to Twitter?
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Daniel
I have indirect access via tweetdeck
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Kev
And me.
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emus
Working on the tweet
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emus
sorry jsut forgot
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Sam
Cool, good to know, I'll start pestering you two when we need something tweeted then :)
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emus
*toot
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Kev
I donโt use it other than granting people tweetdeck access when asked though.
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Daniel
I think I made the vast majority of the last couple of tweets
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emus
Thanks for that
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Daniel
Not writing the text but copying what we have on mastodon
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emus
give me 5 mins
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emus
any additonal hashtag suggestions apart from: #federated #decentralization #standards #jabber
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emus
#xmpp
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emus
Sam?
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emus
#interoperability
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Sam
Since you asked that already seems like way too many that aren't actually used and don't help IMO, but we don't have to write the tweet by committee :)
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goffi
vanitasvitae: where will be the OX meeting? I can't find it on wiki. I'll try to join and follow, but with on ear only, I'm busy with other things.
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Sam
Whatever you think is best I'm sure will be fine :)
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emus
Kev, would you mind the pin the recent xsf blog article I wrote? I think I already wrote an email. Daniel said it need admin permission
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emus
Sam ok
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emus
But why to much? I prefer to go a bit over the horizon?
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Sam
I dunno, more than 2 or 3 just makes me assume a tweet is spam. I don't know why though.
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goffi
vanitasvitae: nevermind, found it: https://meet.jit.si/AdventurousOxenTrotStandardized
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Daniel
Fwiw I'm also not the biggest fan of hashtags. Feels either unnatural as written by a social media team in the 2010s or like someone using them ironically on Instagram
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Daniel
But I don't have any hard feelings on that and will just tweet whatever
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vanitasvitae
goffi, Good idea to create a wiki page
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vanitasvitae
I will do that
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goffi
vanitasvitae: well it's my first guess to find a meeting, checking standard@ mail thread is not super handy
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emus
I just put them in the end, like "real tags". I don't think one will accuse us of trying to send negative submessages with that
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vanitasvitae
I agree
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emus
Daniel. https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/105956292858759243✎ -
goffi
vanitasvitae: and it could be nice when you do a reminder in a MUC room like here, to paste the link directly
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emus
Daniel: https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/105956292858759243 ✏
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vanitasvitae
true
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emus
vanitasvitae, goffi, you also need a toot?
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vanitasvitae
A toot would be nice indeed
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vanitasvitae
๐
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emus
Sam, as ususally, I cannot join Fridays as I have a fixed private appointment, so it's not that I dont have interest!
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Sam
Not to worry. Next week is at a different time for the presenters schedule, after that I'll change the default and desperately hope we get more signups :)
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emus
โบ๏ธ
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Daniel
couldnโt fit all of them into 280 chars anyway
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emus
ah damn it
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vanitasvitae
https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/OX_Meeting
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deuill
Not sure if this is possible/available already, but is there an iCal link or something we can use to keep track of XSF events?
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emus
maybe remote the last part with the link to the wiki
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vanitasvitae
Here is a quick wiki page with links and date
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Sam
deuill: there is, it's on the main page of the wiki somewhere IIRC
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emus
starts in about 30 mins, right?
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vanitasvitae
emus, yep
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Sam
deuill: look under "Upcoming Events" on the wiki home page
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emus
https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/105956322349510053
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vanitasvitae
perfect
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vanitasvitae
thanks ๐
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goffi
I've an experimental events over Pubsub feature by the way, and implementing a compatiblity with ActivityPub mobilizon is part of the grant I'll do. It would be nice to use if for XMPP events (maybe in a while when it will be more stable and I'll find time to propose protoXEPs).
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emus
by the way we reached more than 1100 followers on Fosstodon
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deuill
Oh nice, thanks for the pointer Sam!
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Kev
emus: Iโve no idea how to do that, but I shall take a look.
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emus
vanitasvitae - I guess there is potential for your next blog post if it not already exists :)
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emus
Hey Kev, thanks! I just checked for a step-by-step explanation https://www.wikihow.com/Pin-a-Tweet-to-Your-Twitter-Home-Page (but I guess you would have figured out yourself)
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vanitasvitae
emus, sorry, about what exactly?
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emus
why pgpg✎ -
emus
why pgp ✏
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vanitasvitae
๐ I see
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Kev
emus: Was that what you wanted?
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Kev
Oh, I didnโt see you paste that howto, thanks. But I think Iโve done it already.
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emus
Kev, thank almost, I just meant this post: https://nitter.nixnet.services/xmpp/status/1352946729713340416#m
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emus
https://twitter.com/xmpp/status/1352946729713340416
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emus
acutally meant*
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Kev
That one was pinned already, I had to unpin that to pin the one I thought you meant :)
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Kev
Changed it back.
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emus
Are you sure? I just saw the one from 2015 - then sorry for that
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Kev
Maybe Iโm wrong, not the first time.
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Kev
Anyway, is the right one pinned now?
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emus
but thanks a lot!
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emus
Yes - aweome โค๏ธ✎ -
emus
Yes - awesome โค๏ธ ✏
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Kev
Fab.
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emus
I wish everyone great meetings, I'm on the run now. Its also end of month, so may also consider any news for the Newsletter ๐ https://yopad.eu/p/xmpp-newsletter-365days
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Sam
XMPP Office Hours are starting in 10 minutes! https://socialcoop.meet.coop/sam-pku-dud-niv
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L29Ah
It looks like you're using an older version of a supported browser. Please upgrade your browser for full support.
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Sam
:( This is the only thing I can find about browser support https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html#what-are-the-minimum-requirements-for-the-bigbluebutton-client
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moparisthebest
working in firefox for me, 86 looks like
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Sam
I did try to record it for whomever asked (can't figure out which room that was in, so just leaving it here assuming whomever it was is here too), but apparently it didn't save? I went back and tried to learn how afterwards and I can't find a save button anywhere, the recording just goes away as soon as I end the call.
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L29Ah
sounds like a web application
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sebastian
Sam: i asked. Thanks that you tried. For future recordings you might want to keep OBS in mind, If the BBB recording does not work ๐
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Sam
The internet suggests that this did work and that it just takes a long time to post process (and that there's no indication that your video exists in the mean time) so it may be that I just have to wait a while
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Sam
I'm not familiar with OBS
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moparisthebest
> sounds like a web application ๐คฃ๏ธ
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Sam
Oh I see, this is a streaming thing. I think it needs to be a video chat thing where others can talk back too to facilitate round tables and questions and the like. If the user has to be on youtube or something, or loading the stream, and join a room (but there's also youtube or facebook chat), etc. things just get confusing
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Sam
but we'll see. Let me log back in and see if it ever finished
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moparisthebest
oh I thought he just meant use OBS to record to a file that you could share later
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Sam
Oh, maybe it's a recorder too? The thing I looked up looked like it was just for streaming
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Sam
I definitely don't have the bandwidth to figure out some external thing, but if BBB doesn't work someone else is welcome to figure out recording and do that (assuming the presenter that week approves)
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moparisthebest
OBS can definitely record to a file, but so can, say, ffmpeg
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Sam
I am definitely not spending time trying to convince ffmpeg to do anything :) that's always a losing battle.
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moparisthebest
I'll play around with ffmpeg and see if I can get it to just record 1 window, if so, I'll volunteer to record it
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Sam
Thanks!
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Sam
Hopefully BBB will randomly finish processing and it won't be an issue, we'll see.
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moparisthebest
I don't really want to install OBS or learn a GUI program either... :P
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sebastian
> oh I thought he just meant use OBS to record to a file that you could share later moparisthebest: Sam exactly. You can record with OBS.
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sebastian
> I don't really want to install OBS or learn a GUI program either... :P It is more or less intuitive ๐
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L29Ah
yup
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moparisthebest
intuitive: ffmpeg -video_size 1024x768 -framerate 25 -f x11grab -i :0.0+100,200 -f alsa -ac 2 -i hw:0 output.mkv not intuitive: clicking anything with a mouse >:) ( https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Desktop )
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Zash
Isn't it a bit weird to record video from the camera, show it on the desktop, record the desktop...
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moparisthebest
I was just planning on recording the entire window, which is maybe some video, a presentation, and the chat ?
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L29Ah
obs allows you to pick a window you want to record
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eevvoor
The new MUC for the brand new OX: xmpp:ox@conference.jabber.de?join ๐๏ธ let's celebrate the year of the OX.
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moparisthebest
the year of the question https://i.imgflip.com/53ayjs.jpg
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Zash
And then MLS in the corner
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moparisthebest
my impression is that's dead in the water
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Zash
In what way?
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moparisthebest
is a single client dev involved in MLS or is it a design-by-committee thing ?
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Zash
I don't know, I think it's a bunch of the currently non-federated chat apps and some Matrix folks
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moparisthebest
sounds dead to me
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Zash
So you're saying it'll win?
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moparisthebest
I'd bet MIX will be widely deployed before it is
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Daniel
Wire is pretty heavily involved, no?
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Daniel
I don't know if they are sending their developers but at least it's people from that company
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Zash
I also got the impression from the architecture docs that it's made for eventually consistent protocols and federated message passing is not something considered.
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Zash
Requiring a reliable transport and such, which happens to be pretty hard in a federated system.
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Zash
Might have seen someone mention that, so maybe it'll get fixed.
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Zash
I'm just lurking on the mailing list so far. I'd encourage you to do the same. If nothing else there might be ideas that could be applicable to OMEMO/OX.
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moparisthebest
sounds like you can count on them purposefully designing it to exclude federation then
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Daniel
I generally find it to be slightly more difficult to get involved with ietf working groups than in was with the xsf✎ -
Zash
I also think the idea is to get it reviewed in the way TLS 1.3 got
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Daniel
I generally find it to be slightly more difficult to get involved with ietf working groups than with the xsf ✏
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Zash
Daniel, signing up for some mailing list and lurking should be about as hard, no?
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Daniel
I'm doing the lurking part successfully
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Zash
The $800+travel expenses 3 times per year is a bit hefty tho.
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Zash
Tho the XSF has sponsored that kind of thing in the past, so shouldn't be a huge problem.
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Daniel
Yes we talked about that specifically wrt to MLS
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Daniel
But covid
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Zash
Yes, covid
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Daniel
In person it might actually be easier I guess.
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Zash
Haven't actually attended the online IETF they do now, just lurked in hallways.
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Daniel
But I had a hard time phrasing questions in a smart enough manner to not simply be ignored on the list
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Sam
sebastian: looks like there is a recording now, just no indication that it was processing. I'll find somewhere to put it up shortly.
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sebastian
Sam: no rush ๐ thx
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Sam
Seems like a pretty serious UX issue with BBB.
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Sam
LInk is updated in the schedule.
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Sam
sebastian: no idea how to private message from this client. Sorry about the link being hidden, you're correct it's on the right most column of the spreadsheet. Here it is: https://youtu.be/WFEXWtQIHM8
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sebastian
Thanks ๐๐