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  360. sidereal0 gajim and dino's omemo has worked with each other, but they haven't worked with conversations.im
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  463. Ge0rG Also origin-id must die.
  464. edhelas Ge0rG to be replaced by ?
  465. Zash top-level id attr
  466. Zash make origin-id == @id a MUST NOT
  467. Ge0rG edhelas: the only information it coneys on top of @id is that the client honestly promises not to reuse @id values
  468. Ge0rG Other than that, it's just xml bloat and additional complexity for people wondering which id to use
  469. edhelas is part of those people
  470. edhelas if only XMPP was one big centralized database
  471. Holger To be fair the real reasoning for origin-id is (was?) that some MUC services rewrote the top-level `id`, right ...
  472. Zash edhelas: you mean a gloablly distributed eventually consistent json graph database? geeeeet out!
  473. Ge0rG Holger: yes, and we solved that root cause.
  474. Ge0rG edhelas: use the @id attribute unless the specification you are implementing tells you which id to use.
  475. Holger Right. I just thought it might be useful to understand how we ended up here (e.g. to understand whether/why we can change/revert that idea again).
  476. Ge0rG Unless it tells you to use origin-id, in which case still use @id
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  482. Ge0rG Holger: we ended up here because when 6120 was written, nobody expected we would have solved the "enough random data available" problem.
  483. Holger Plus (or mainly?) nobody anticipated real use cases for a proper ID.
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  485. Holger When you fire and forget you don't need one.
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  487. Ge0rG Yeah, IQs weren't so important back then
  488. Holger They were, and what I said is true nevertheless 😉
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  491. Ge0rG edhelas: you need to design your receiver in a way that will gracefully degrade when somebody sends you non unique IDs, because you can't prevent it anyway.
  492. Ge0rG Also if you receive stanzas with no ID, or if somebody is using auto increment integers and starts anew every few minutes
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  495. Ge0rG And if somebody claims they can guarantee sending really random IDs, I'll kindly remind them of https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2013/08/some-securerandom-thoughts.html
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  515. moparisthebest what about debian ? too old ?
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