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gajim and dino's omemo has worked with each other, but they haven't worked with conversations.im
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Ge0rG
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Also origin-id must die.
edhelas
17:40:14
Ge0rG to be replaced by ?
Zash
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top-level id attr
Zash
17:41:37
make origin-id == @id a MUST NOT
Ge0rG
17:42:48
edhelas: the only information it coneys on top of @id is that the client honestly promises not to reuse @id values
Ge0rG
17:43:30
Other than that, it's just xml bloat and additional complexity for people wondering which id to use
edhelas
is part of those people
17:43:45
edhelas
17:44:07
if only XMPP was one big centralized database
Holger
17:45:00
To be fair the real reasoning for origin-id is (was?) that some MUC services rewrote the top-level `id`, right ...
Zash
17:45:27
edhelas: you mean a gloablly distributed eventually consistent json graph database? geeeeet out!
Ge0rG
17:45:59
Holger: yes, and we solved that root cause.
Ge0rG
17:47:08
edhelas: use the @id attribute unless the specification you are implementing tells you which id to use.
Holger
17:47:10
Right. I just thought it might be useful to understand how we ended up here (e.g. to understand whether/why we can change/revert that idea again).
Ge0rG
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Unless it tells you to use origin-id, in which case still use @id
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Holger: we ended up here because when 6120 was written, nobody expected we would have solved the "enough random data available" problem.
Holger
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Plus (or mainly?) nobody anticipated real use cases for a proper ID.
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Holger
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When you fire and forget you don't need one.
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Ge0rG
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Yeah, IQs weren't so important back then
Holger
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They were, and what I said is true nevertheless 😉
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edhelas: you need to design your receiver in a way that will gracefully degrade when somebody sends you non unique IDs, because you can't prevent it anyway.
Ge0rG
17:56:42
Also if you receive stanzas with no ID, or if somebody is using auto increment integers and starts anew every few minutes
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Ge0rG
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And if somebody claims they can guarantee sending really random IDs, I'll kindly remind them of https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2013/08/some-securerandom-thoughts.html
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moparisthebest
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what about debian ? too old ?
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