XSF Discussion - 2021-04-28

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15:59:24 moparisthebest jonas’, re: https://github.com/dino/dino/issues/1041 maybe that XEP should have something along those lines in the Implementation Notes ?
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17:51:17 Ge0rG So I was cleaning up my xep0280 branches and found a commit from 2019 that wasn't mered into mainline :(
17:52:02 Ge0rG I _think_ it was related to the 2019 LC
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18:34:02 lovetox moparisthebest, the XEP says it quite strongly
18:34:03 lovetox Therefore, a recipient SHOULD NOT rely on delayed delivery notations to provide a completely accurate representation of the delivery path or timing of a stanza it has received.
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18:35:03 lovetox i dont know what more can be done here, next step would be to draw developers examples on how a client can visualize it to users
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18:35:27 lovetox i dont think a XEP is the right place for something like that
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18:36:21 moparisthebest I feel like it might mention something along those lines though
18:36:33 moparisthebest "consider how to convey this to users in a proper way" or something
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18:40:39 lovetox i have the opinion if you do anything other than simply display the delayed timestamp to the user, but otherwise ignoring it, you go down a rabbithole
18:44:47 moparisthebest that kind of this should likely be in XEPs no ?
18:45:13 moparisthebest "if you put this in the user's history in the correct place, rather than showing it as a new message, they'll likely never see it" ?
18:45:27 moparisthebest that's pretty darn close to a security consideration
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19:12:40 lovetox i just feel that reduces XEPs to things that GUI chat clients implement
19:13:08 lovetox but as i understand it this is only one use case for xmpp
19:13:36 lovetox my opinion is, this stuff should get a place somewhere else
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19:28:17 Ge0rG moparisthebest: security considerations is the section that's ignored by the most readers
19:28:50 moparisthebest Ge0rG, the only thing ignored *more* than security considerations are the things not written down in the first place :)
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19:51:46 Ge0rG moparisthebest: blasphemy! Our protocols are very well documented and don't rely on tribal knowledge
19:53:34 mathieui Ge0rG, what if you shove all the examples in the security considerations and make the CVE block pop-up when they try to copypaste from them?
20:00:24 Ge0rG Pop-under or what the latest trends are? Hijack the DOM and additional text into the clipboard
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