XSF Discussion - 2021-05-07


  1. a8bk1gz76vgy has left
  2. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined
  3. lskdjf has left
  4. arc has left
  5. arc has joined
  6. arc has left
  7. arc has joined
  8. debacle has left
  9. Kev has left
  10. andrey.g has left
  11. Kev has joined
  12. arc has left
  13. arc has joined
  14. moparisthebest has left
  15. moparisthebest has joined
  16. arc has left
  17. arc has joined
  18. BASSGOD has left
  19. BASSGOD has joined
  20. stp has left
  21. Andrzej has joined
  22. alameyo has left
  23. alameyo has joined
  24. Andrzej has left
  25. a8bk1gz76vgy has left
  26. Andrzej has joined
  27. adiaholic has joined
  28. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined
  29. adiaholic has left
  30. adiaholic has joined
  31. adiaholic has left
  32. lovetox has left
  33. Andrzej has left
  34. adiaholic has joined
  35. Andrzej has joined
  36. arc has left
  37. arc has joined
  38. arc has left
  39. arc has joined
  40. arc has left
  41. arc has joined
  42. arc has left
  43. arc has joined
  44. wurstsalat has left
  45. arc has left
  46. arc has joined
  47. arc has left
  48. arc has joined
  49. Andrzej has left
  50. Andrzej has joined
  51. arc has left
  52. arc has joined
  53. arc has left
  54. arc has joined
  55. arc has left
  56. arc has joined
  57. wendy has joined
  58. arc has left
  59. arc has joined
  60. arc has left
  61. arc has joined
  62. a8bk1gz76vgy has left
  63. Andrzej has left
  64. arc has left
  65. arc has joined
  66. arc has left
  67. arc has joined
  68. arc has left
  69. arc has joined
  70. arc has left
  71. arc has joined
  72. arc has left
  73. arc has joined
  74. arc has left
  75. arc has joined
  76. Andrzej has joined
  77. menel has joined
  78. arc has left
  79. arc has joined
  80. arc has left
  81. arc has joined
  82. arc has left
  83. arc has joined
  84. Andrzej has left
  85. arc has left
  86. arc has joined
  87. arc has left
  88. arc has joined
  89. arc has left
  90. arc has joined
  91. arc has left
  92. arc has joined
  93. arc has left
  94. arc has joined
  95. arc has left
  96. arc has joined
  97. Adi has left
  98. jcbrand has left
  99. menel has left
  100. paul has left
  101. Adi has joined
  102. arc has left
  103. arc has joined
  104. arc has left
  105. arc has joined
  106. Zash has left
  107. adiaholic has left
  108. adiaholic has joined
  109. ti_gj06 has joined
  110. Andrzej has joined
  111. Zash has joined
  112. adiaholic has left
  113. arc has left
  114. arc has joined
  115. adiaholic has joined
  116. Yagiza has joined
  117. arc has left
  118. arc has joined
  119. alexbay218 has joined
  120. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined
  121. Andrzej has left
  122. Adi has left
  123. Adi has joined
  124. adiaholic has left
  125. Tobias has joined
  126. adiaholic has joined
  127. DebXWoody has joined
  128. arc has left
  129. arc has joined
  130. arc has left
  131. arc has joined
  132. arc has left
  133. arc has joined
  134. mimi89999 has left
  135. arc has left
  136. arc has joined
  137. arc has left
  138. arc has joined
  139. adiaholic has left
  140. adiaholic has joined
  141. andy has joined
  142. lorddavidiii has joined
  143. arc has left
  144. arc has joined
  145. alexbay218 has left
  146. arc has left
  147. arc has joined
  148. lovetox has joined
  149. arc has left
  150. arc has joined
  151. Andrzej has joined
  152. wendy has left
  153. arc has left
  154. arc has joined
  155. arc has left
  156. arc has joined
  157. arc has left
  158. arc has joined
  159. arc has left
  160. arc has joined
  161. arc has left
  162. arc has joined
  163. adiaholic has left
  164. adiaholic has joined
  165. abhishekkushwaha has joined
  166. arc has left
  167. arc has joined
  168. paul has joined
  169. arc has left
  170. arc has joined
  171. arc has left
  172. arc has joined
  173. abhishekkushwaha has left
  174. Andrzej has left
  175. abhishekkushwaha has joined
  176. abhishekkushwaha has left
  177. adiaholic has left
  178. Adi has left
  179. arc has left
  180. arc has joined
  181. adiaholic has joined
  182. Adi has joined
  183. Andrzej has joined
  184. arc has left
  185. arc has joined
  186. arc has left
  187. arc has joined
  188. arc has left
  189. arc has joined
  190. arc has left
  191. arc has joined
  192. arc has left
  193. arc has joined
  194. arc has left
  195. arc has joined
  196. arc has left
  197. arc has joined
  198. arc has left
  199. arc has joined
  200. Maranda has left
  201. jcbrand has joined
  202. adiaholic has left
  203. Maranda has joined
  204. arc has left
  205. arc has joined
  206. adiaholic has joined
  207. arc has left
  208. arc has joined
  209. Andrzej has left
  210. adiaholic has left
  211. Andrzej has joined
  212. arc has left
  213. arc has joined
  214. adiaholic has joined
  215. arc has left
  216. arc has joined
  217. arc has left
  218. arc has joined
  219. arc has left
  220. arc has joined
  221. goffi has joined
  222. arc has left
  223. Alex has left
  224. arc has joined
  225. ti_gj06 has left
  226. Andrzej has left
  227. wurstsalat has joined
  228. Sam has left
  229. mukt2 has joined
  230. Andrzej has joined
  231. xecks has joined
  232. goffi has left
  233. floretta has left
  234. Syndace has left
  235. Syndace has joined
  236. Sam has joined
  237. adiaholic has left
  238. adiaholic has joined
  239. Alex has joined
  240. emus has joined
  241. Syndace has left
  242. Syndace has joined
  243. Andrzej has left
  244. arc has left
  245. arc has joined
  246. arc has left
  247. arc has joined
  248. ti_gj06 has joined
  249. croax has joined
  250. adiaholic has left
  251. debacle has joined
  252. adiaholic has joined
  253. lorddavidiii has left
  254. ti_gj06 has left
  255. Andrzej has joined
  256. a8bk1gz76vgy has left
  257. adiaholic has left
  258. lorddavidiii has joined
  259. mukt2 has left
  260. pjn has left
  261. pjn has joined
  262. Andrzej has left
  263. floretta has joined
  264. adiaholic has joined
  265. BASSGOD has left
  266. arc has left
  267. Andrzej has joined
  268. arc has joined
  269. Guus has left
  270. arc has left
  271. arc has joined
  272. lskdjf has joined
  273. chronosx88 has left
  274. chronosx88 has joined
  275. arc has left
  276. arc has joined
  277. LNJ has joined
  278. arc has left
  279. arc has joined
  280. menel has joined
  281. mukt2 has joined
  282. floretta has left
  283. Andrzej has left
  284. wendy has joined
  285. debacle has left
  286. arc has left
  287. arc has joined
  288. adiaholic has left
  289. arc has left
  290. arc has joined
  291. arc has left
  292. arc has joined
  293. adiaholic has joined
  294. arc has left
  295. arc has joined
  296. arc has left
  297. arc has joined
  298. mukt2 has left
  299. arc has left
  300. arc has joined
  301. arc has left
  302. arc has joined
  303. arc has left
  304. arc has joined
  305. adiaholic has left
  306. mukt2 has joined
  307. arc has left
  308. arc has joined
  309. adiaholic has joined
  310. arc has left
  311. arc has joined
  312. Syndace has left
  313. Syndace has joined
  314. goffi has joined
  315. mukt2 has left
  316. adiaholic has left
  317. Andrzej has joined
  318. bean has joined
  319. adiaholic has joined
  320. Syndace has left
  321. Syndace has joined
  322. lskdjf has left
  323. Andrzej has left
  324. adiaholic has left
  325. mimi89999 has joined
  326. adiaholic has joined
  327. Syndace has left
  328. Syndace has joined
  329. lskdjf has joined
  330. adiaholic has left
  331. adiaholic has joined
  332. Andrzej has joined
  333. Steve Kille has left
  334. Syndace has left
  335. Syndace has joined
  336. Steve Kille has joined
  337. floretta has joined
  338. adiaholic has left
  339. adiaholic has joined
  340. serge90 has left
  341. serge90 has joined
  342. stp has joined
  343. adiaholic has left
  344. alacer has left
  345. adiaholic has joined
  346. eevvoor has left
  347. adiaholic has left
  348. adiaholic has joined
  349. debacle has joined
  350. ti_gj06 has joined
  351. Andrzej has left
  352. BASSGOD has joined
  353. andrey.g has joined
  354. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined
  355. Andrzej has joined
  356. mukt2 has joined
  357. Freddy has left
  358. Freddy has joined
  359. chronosx88 has left
  360. chronosx88 has joined
  361. Wojtek has joined
  362. mukt2 has left
  363. floretta has left
  364. adiaholic has left
  365. adiaholic has joined
  366. alacer has joined
  367. Andrzej has left
  368. Andrzej has joined
  369. Adi has left
  370. Guus has joined
  371. Adi has joined
  372. arc has left
  373. arc has joined
  374. Wojtek has left
  375. Wojtek has joined
  376. Andrzej has left
  377. Wojtek has left
  378. arc has left
  379. arc has joined
  380. wendy has left
  381. a8bk1gz76vgy has left
  382. floretta has joined
  383. Syndace has left
  384. Syndace has joined
  385. adiaholic has left
  386. mukt2 has joined
  387. Wojtek has joined
  388. ti_gj06 has left
  389. ti_gj06 has joined
  390. adiaholic has joined
  391. Wojtek has left
  392. Wojtek has joined
  393. Syndace has left
  394. Syndace has joined
  395. Wojtek has left
  396. adiaholic has left
  397. bean has left
  398. adiaholic has joined
  399. floretta has left
  400. bean has joined
  401. Syndace has left
  402. Syndace has joined
  403. andrey.g has left
  404. mukt2 has left
  405. arc has left
  406. arc has joined
  407. arc has left
  408. arc has joined
  409. Wojtek has joined
  410. debacle has left
  411. mathijs has left
  412. Syndace has left
  413. Syndace has joined
  414. mukt2 has joined
  415. Maranda has left
  416. Maranda has joined
  417. adiaholic has left
  418. ti_gj06 has left
  419. adiaholic has joined
  420. mathijs has joined
  421. adiaholic has left
  422. adiaholic has joined
  423. wendy has joined
  424. adiaholic has left
  425. lskdjf has left
  426. adiaholic has joined
  427. floretta has joined
  428. lskdjf has joined
  429. Wojtek has left
  430. Wojtek has joined
  431. ti_gj06 has joined
  432. arc has left
  433. ti_gj06 has left
  434. arc has joined
  435. ti_gj06 has joined
  436. xecks has left
  437. ti_gj06 has left
  438. xecks has joined
  439. wladmis has left
  440. wladmis has joined
  441. wendy has left
  442. mathijs has left
  443. andrey.g has joined
  444. chronosx88 has left
  445. chronosx88 has joined
  446. Sam Ge0rG: would you be interested in doing an Office Hours about the traffic you've seen on your server due to Vaxbot and how you monitor / resolve it? Doesn't have to be anything formal, just a quick talk about how your monitoring setup works and some of the things you've tried to do to keep the service stable
  447. Sam Just something along the lines of your blog post
  448. Syndace has left
  449. Syndace has joined
  450. stpeter has joined
  451. stpeter has left
  452. DebXWoody has left
  453. Seve has left
  454. inky has joined
  455. adiaholic has left
  456. DebXWoody has joined
  457. adiaholic has joined
  458. debacle has joined
  459. mukt2 has left
  460. adiaholic has left
  461. mukt2 has joined
  462. adiaholic has joined
  463. x51 has joined
  464. mathijs has joined
  465. arc has left
  466. arc has joined
  467. arc has left
  468. arc has joined
  469. Daniel has left
  470. Daniel has joined
  471. arc has left
  472. arc has joined
  473. arc has left
  474. arc has joined
  475. arc has left
  476. arc has joined
  477. arc has left
  478. arc has joined
  479. arc has left
  480. arc has joined
  481. arc has left
  482. arc has joined
  483. stpeter has joined
  484. stpeter has left
  485. Guus has left
  486. papatutuwawa has joined
  487. arc has left
  488. arc has joined
  489. arc has left
  490. arc has joined
  491. arc has left
  492. arc has joined
  493. arc has left
  494. arc has joined
  495. arc has left
  496. adiaholic has left
  497. mukt2 has left
  498. mathijs has left
  499. mathijs has joined
  500. adiaholic has joined
  501. mukt2 has joined
  502. arc has joined
  503. arc has left
  504. arc has joined
  505. arc has left
  506. marek > Ge0rG: would you be interested in doing an Office Hours about the traffic you've seen on your server due to Vaxbot and how you monitor / resolve it? Doesn't have to be anything formal, just a quick talk about how your monitoring setup works and some of the things you've tried to do to keep the service stable > Just something along the lines of your blog post I have also seen the question or more an offer of another server admin to spread the load via his server.
  507. arc has joined
  508. arc has left
  509. arc has joined
  510. adiaholic has left
  511. arc has left
  512. arc has joined
  513. arc has left
  514. arc has joined
  515. adiaholic has joined
  516. arc has left
  517. arc has joined
  518. arc has left
  519. arc has joined
  520. arc has left
  521. arc has joined
  522. arc has left
  523. arc has joined
  524. arc has left
  525. arc has joined
  526. Syndace has left
  527. Syndace has joined
  528. Steve Kille has left
  529. papatutuwawa has left
  530. menel has left
  531. menel has joined
  532. peetah has left
  533. arc has left
  534. arc has joined
  535. arc has left
  536. arc has joined
  537. arc has left
  538. arc has joined
  539. arc has left
  540. arc has joined
  541. mukt2 has left
  542. Sam has left
  543. arc has left
  544. arc has joined
  545. Syndace has left
  546. Syndace has joined
  547. mathijs has left
  548. arc has left
  549. arc has joined
  550. arc has left
  551. arc has joined
  552. arc has left
  553. arc has joined
  554. emus has left
  555. adiaholic has left
  556. mathijs has joined
  557. arc has left
  558. arc has joined
  559. arc has left
  560. arc has joined
  561. mathijs has left
  562. mathijs has joined
  563. emus has joined
  564. Sam has joined
  565. arc has left
  566. arc has joined
  567. arc has left
  568. arc has joined
  569. arc has left
  570. arc has joined
  571. Guus has joined
  572. arc has left
  573. arc has joined
  574. Steve Kille has joined
  575. Steve Kille has left
  576. Steve Kille has joined
  577. mathijs has left
  578. hamish has left
  579. adiaholic has joined
  580. arc has left
  581. arc has joined
  582. arc has left
  583. arc has joined
  584. arc has left
  585. arc has joined
  586. mathijs has joined
  587. mukt2 has joined
  588. Guus has left
  589. pjn has left
  590. hamish has joined
  591. papatutuwawa has joined
  592. Syndace has left
  593. Syndace has joined
  594. adiaholic has left
  595. BASSGOD has left
  596. arc has left
  597. arc has joined
  598. arc has left
  599. arc has joined
  600. andrey.g has left
  601. adiaholic has joined
  602. andy has left
  603. adiaholic has left
  604. BASSGOD has joined
  605. mathijs has left
  606. arc has left
  607. arc has joined
  608. menel has left
  609. arc has left
  610. arc has joined
  611. pjn has joined
  612. mathijs has joined
  613. adiaholic has joined
  614. emus The deployment worked finally: https://xmpp.org/2021/04/newsletter-04-april/
  615. mukt2 has left
  616. adiaholic has left
  617. adiaholic has joined
  618. neshtaxmpp has left
  619. neshtaxmpp has joined
  620. mukt2 has joined
  621. Syndace has left
  622. Syndace has joined
  623. peetah has joined
  624. xecks has left
  625. xecks has joined
  626. adiaholic has left
  627. adiaholic has joined
  628. werdan has joined
  629. xecks has left
  630. xecks has joined
  631. menel has joined
  632. adiaholic has left
  633. xecks has left
  634. xecks has joined
  635. Ge0rG marek: I'm interested in a server provider offering IBR without captcha as a fallback server.
  636. adiaholic has joined
  637. Syndace has left
  638. Syndace has joined
  639. xecks has left
  640. xecks has joined
  641. chronosx88 has left
  642. chronosx88 has joined
  643. arc has left
  644. arc has joined
  645. adiaholic has left
  646. adiaholic has joined
  647. Guus has joined
  648. chronosx88 has left
  649. chronosx88 has joined
  650. Alex has left
  651. Alex has joined
  652. mathijs has left
  653. mathijs has joined
  654. mathijs has left
  655. mathijs has joined
  656. Syndace has left
  657. Syndace has joined
  658. xecks has left
  659. xecks has joined
  660. BASSGOD has left
  661. BASSGOD has joined
  662. xecks has left
  663. LNJ has left
  664. emus Hello and good Friday ❤️ The XMPP Newsletter on April has been published - again it would be fine if one could make a tweet based on this: https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/106195170518281226
  665. mathijs has left
  666. mathijs has joined
  667. lovetox 251
  668. lovetox 4
  669. lovetox '*
  670. Zash Kids or cats?
  671. lovetox please forgive me :/
  672. lovetox my kid
  673. lovetox :D
  674. Mikaela has joined
  675. Wojtek has left
  676. Andrzej has joined
  677. mukt2 has left
  678. Mikaela has left
  679. xecks has joined
  680. BASSGOD has left
  681. BASSGOD has joined
  682. Andrzej has left
  683. adiaholic has left
  684. adiaholic has joined
  685. adiaholic has left
  686. Syndace has left
  687. Daniel has left
  688. Syndace has joined
  689. Daniel has joined
  690. adiaholic has joined
  691. andy has joined
  692. chronosx88 has left
  693. chronosx88 has joined
  694. adiaholic has left
  695. mukt2 has joined
  696. papatutuwawa has left
  697. papatutuwawa has joined
  698. ti_gj06 has joined
  699. moparisthebest so XEP-0352 doesn't give any indication (pun intended) of what stanzas should be dropped, which should be delayed, or really anything else in the implementation right?
  700. MattJ XEP-0352 is not about dropping, delaying or anything else, no
  701. moparisthebest shouldn't that be defined in places other than various server implementations ? :/ (they also don't seem to remotely agree)
  702. MattJ It's purely a signal to the server about the client's current state
  703. Ge0rG moparisthebest: please read the servers and write an Informational XEP
  704. MattJ What servers do with that info is their business. If you want to try to spec some optimizations, go for it :)
  705. Ge0rG I hate all these hand-wavy "implementation defined behavior" XEPs.
  706. moparisthebest there are, eh, semi-security considerations that exist with these implementations
  707. moparisthebest maybe not security, but I don't know how else to say it
  708. moparisthebest I think it'd be easy to regularly send silent stanzas to mucs and drain everyone's battery
  709. Ge0rG moparisthebest: you can do that without any XEPs.
  710. arc has left
  711. arc has joined
  712. moparisthebest but you can't document that in XEP-0352 because it doesn't say you should do anything at all
  713. MattJ What would you even document?
  714. MattJ There will always be stanzas that need to be forwarded
  715. moparisthebest probably advice for both servers and clients
  716. arc has left
  717. arc has joined
  718. moparisthebest stanzas with bodies will be displayed, not silent, no big deal
  719. MattJ and optimizations will only help, they're not the problem here
  720. MattJ Pretend 352 doesn't exist, and servers have no optimisations. The same silent stanzas will have the same behaviour...
  721. moparisthebest stanzas with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0380.html with an unknown type might be simply dropped by clients, but forwarded by servers, that's a silent battery eater
  722. adiaholic has joined
  723. arc has left
  724. arc has joined
  725. moparisthebest so the advice would either be for servers to drop ones without valid formats, or for clients to always display something on such a thing
  726. arc has left
  727. arc has joined
  728. Zash If silently wasting battery is an attack, then let me tell you about xep 199
  729. MattJ :)
  730. Yagiza has left
  731. moparisthebest yes, that too, the advice for that would likely just be don't have mucs forward that, do they now ?
  732. MattJ You can't broadcast iqs, but MUCs would usually forward those sent to occupant JIDs
  733. arc has left
  734. arc has joined
  735. arc has left
  736. arc has joined
  737. Zash ... to the full JID
  738. Zash Unless it's one of the special iq stanzas that get redirected to the bare JID
  739. mathijs has left
  740. Zash Unless it's not implemented like that and instead the server handles full JID iqs
  741. Zash Unless ...
  742. adiaholic has left
  743. arc has left
  744. arc has joined
  745. arc has left
  746. arc has joined
  747. arc has left
  748. arc has joined
  749. moparisthebest so what we need is a bot that can join MUCs and do everything that can possibly eat all the member's batteries silently? :)
  750. L29Ah challenge accepted!
  751. MattJ Please include OOB URLs to infinite HTTP streams
  752. moparisthebest that's probably interesting outside of MUCs too, probably all sorts of silent stanzas you can send to a known JID constantly
  753. moparisthebest ooh nice MattJ
  754. chronosx88 has left
  755. chronosx88 has joined
  756. moparisthebest like an http server that responds to HEAD requests with an endless stream of random headers ?
  757. Zash That's actually perfectly legal.
  758. Zash Thanks HTTP!
  759. Zash IIRC the standards-mandated limits are ... per header...
  760. arc has left
  761. moparisthebest the question is how does your average HTTP library handle it
  762. arc has joined
  763. L29Ah OOM on sight
  764. moparisthebest I'm going to assume most of them handle it by eating memory until they explode
  765. arc has left
  766. arc has joined
  767. Zash Probably. You go have fun now. 🙂
  768. lorddavidiii has left
  769. adiaholic has joined
  770. arc has left
  771. arc has joined
  772. arc has left
  773. arc has joined
  774. moparisthebest ( echo -en 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK\r\nConnection: keep-alive\r\n'; while true; do echo -en 'bla: bla\r\n'; done ) | nc -l 8080 -w 1
  775. moparisthebest command line curl handles it fine by buffering nothing I guess
  776. BASSGOD has left
  777. arc has left
  778. arc has joined
  779. adiaholic has left
  780. arc has left
  781. arc has joined
  782. arc has left
  783. deuill has left
  784. arc has joined
  785. arc has left
  786. arc has joined
  787. deuill has joined
  788. arc has left
  789. arc has joined
  790. Syndace has left
  791. Syndace has joined
  792. arc has left
  793. arc has joined
  794. arc has left
  795. arc has joined
  796. adiaholic has joined
  797. arc has left
  798. arc has joined
  799. mukt2 has left
  800. arc has left
  801. arc has joined
  802. chronosx88 has left
  803. chronosx88 has joined
  804. arc has left
  805. moparisthebest and to test servers: ( echo -en 'GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: www.moparisthebest.com\r\nUser-Agent: curl/7.76.0\r\nAccept: */*\r\n'; while true; do echo -en 'bla: bla\r\n'; done ) | nc -4 www.moparisthebest.com 80
  806. arc has joined
  807. moparisthebest nginx responds with 400 Bad Request "400 Request Header Or Cookie Too Large"
  808. BASSGOD has joined
  809. LNJ has joined
  810. wendy has joined
  811. Zash pro-tip: `nc -C` if you have a version with that flag
  812. Zash to translate \n → \r\n
  813. moparisthebest I never know if a given machine has BSD or GNU nc :(
  814. adiaholic has left
  815. esil has joined
  816. esil has left
  817. Ge0rG moparisthebest [20:49]: > stanzas with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0380.html with an unknown type might be simply dropped by clients, but forwarded by servers, that's a silent battery eater I'd love to have a server side filter that would drop all elements not listed in a client's disco features
  818. mukt2 has joined
  819. LNJ has left
  820. Zash Ge0rG: I tried something like that, tho it may have involved filtering stuff from presence. Vague memory of it causing breakage.
  821. moparisthebest I wonder how many stanzas clients receive in practice that they ignore, or at least end up invisible to the user
  822. MattJ Very many
  823. BASSGOD has left
  824. Zash If you're in a bunch of public channels, oh so much presence
  825. eta I need to install that prosody CSI module that just drops presence on the floor
  826. Zash Violates protocol and expectations, not recommended
  827. moparisthebest what prompted all of this was a person complaining in a muc about how much battery his conversations used, I counted that I'm in 53 mucs and mine hardly uses any battery, but there are so many things it could be I don't even know where to start
  828. Zash Tho maybe that got fixed so the dropped stanzas don't count in 198
  829. Zash moparisthebest: and did they check that CSI is enabled?
  830. moparisthebest yes but they use ejabberd, which at a glance does entirely different things than prosody's mod_csi_simple
  831. eta I constantly suspect conversations uses more battery than it lets on
  832. Zash IIRC the most common wake up reason for me is client activity in the form of periodic pings, and their responses
  833. moparisthebest it seems like the battery % android gives is utterly dependent on your rom, vendor, version, the color of the sky, and everything else too; but that's a different can of worms
  834. eta the issue I have is I suspect conversations is waking up for every irrelevant MUC message
  835. LNJ has joined
  836. Zash I've got a thing for that, so I can mark MUCs as "unimportant" and then those won't trigger CSI flush
  837. BASSGOD has joined
  838. mathijs has joined
  839. Zash I would like to have that tied into Something in the future, possibly some bookmarks2 mini-extension.
  840. eta Zash: I saw that module, but it requires manually marking them all as unimportant
  841. eta I want them to be like, default unimportant
  842. eta (and important if it's a modern XMPP "groupchat" instead of "channel")
  843. Zash eta, you and me both
  844. eta the latter part requires more trickery though
  845. Zash But I'm told this doesn't work for Normal Users
  846. eta I've also done the radicalish thing of using bookmarks2 everywhere
  847. eta with hacked up Dino and conversations
  848. Zash If there were a way to distinguish "groupchat" from "channel" based on only the stuff you see on join... but you don't afaik
  849. eta yeah exactly
  850. eta well, no, invite only is a good one
  851. Seve has joined
  852. eta but I guess that's in data forms
  853. Zash which would require that the module do a disco, which is certainly possible, but complicates it a bit
  854. eta hence trickery
  855. arc has left
  856. arc has joined
  857. arc has left
  858. arc has joined
  859. Zash but that may not be a perfect method either
  860. BASSGOD has left
  861. arc has left
  862. arc has joined
  863. eta how easy is querying bookmarks2
  864. adiaholic has joined
  865. Zash I mean, basing it only on whether a particular MUC is "channel" or "groupchat", but it could certainly be used as a default.
  866. Zash Some property saved by clients in BM2 would be nicer.
  867. arc has left
  868. arc has joined
  869. eta Zash: I have a conversations commit that saves such a property :p
  870. Zash Neat
  871. eta mainly because I got tired of having to reconfigure notification prefs
  872. eta when it used to eat the database
  873. eta this required patching Dino to not instantly clobber the property when the bookmarks change
  874. adiaholic has left
  875. ti_gj06 has left
  876. chronosx88 has left
  877. chronosx88 has joined
  878. ti_gj06 has joined
  879. papatutuwawa has left
  880. arc has left
  881. arc has joined
  882. BASSGOD has joined
  883. BASSGOD has left
  884. bean has left
  885. arc has left
  886. arc has joined
  887. Daniel has left
  888. Daniel has joined
  889. arc has left
  890. arc has joined
  891. bean has joined
  892. bean has left
  893. bean has joined
  894. andy has left
  895. bean has left
  896. Syndace has left
  897. Syndace has joined
  898. bean has joined
  899. bean has left
  900. bean has joined
  901. bean has left
  902. bean has joined
  903. mukt2 has left
  904. bean has left
  905. karoshi has left
  906. pjn has left
  907. BASSGOD has joined
  908. Ge0rG Why not using mentions of the nickname if there is a body, or EME otherwise
  909. Ge0rG Private rooms will all have OMENNO, right?
  910. BASSGOD has left
  911. emus Ge0rG - no one apart from the Germans will understand your OMENNO 😉
  912. pjn has joined
  913. sebastian > Private rooms will all have OMENNO, right? Not sure if subtle joke or autocorrect 🤔
  914. xecks has left
  915. Tobias has left
  916. bean has joined
  917. mukt2 has joined
  918. ti_gj06 has left
  919. wendy has left
  920. x51 has left
  921. werdan has left
  922. sonny has left
  923. sonny has joined
  924. sonny has left
  925. sonny has joined
  926. goffi has left
  927. adiaholic has joined
  928. BASSGOD has joined
  929. bean has left
  930. BASSGOD has left
  931. adiaholic has left
  932. Ge0rG sebastian: yes
  933. arc has left
  934. arc has joined
  935. BASSGOD has joined
  936. arc has left
  937. arc has joined
  938. emus > sebastian escribió: > Not sure if subtle joke or autocorrect 🤔 subtle German joke 🙂
  939. pjn has left
  940. mukt2 has left
  941. Syndace has left
  942. Syndace has joined
  943. alameyo has left
  944. alameyo has joined
  945. Vaulor has left
  946. LNJ has left
  947. xutaxkamay has left
  948. xutaxkamay has joined
  949. pjn has joined
  950. Seve has left
  951. xutaxkamay has left
  952. xutaxkamay has joined
  953. xutaxkamay has left
  954. xutaxkamay has joined
  955. wurstsalat has left
  956. mukt2 has joined
  957. Syndace has left
  958. arc has left
  959. arc has joined
  960. Syndace has joined
  961. xutaxkamay has left
  962. xutaxkamay has joined
  963. arc has left
  964. arc has joined
  965. arc has left
  966. arc has joined
  967. arc has left
  968. arc has joined
  969. eevvoor has joined
  970. arc has left
  971. arc has joined
  972. arc has left
  973. arc has joined
  974. arc has left
  975. arc has joined
  976. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined
  977. arc has left
  978. arc has joined
  979. arc has left
  980. arc has joined
  981. arc has left
  982. arc has joined
  983. arc has left
  984. arc has joined
  985. arc has left
  986. arc has joined
  987. arc has left
  988. arc has joined
  989. arc has left
  990. arc has joined
  991. arc has left
  992. arc has joined
  993. arc has left
  994. arc has joined
  995. arc has left
  996. arc has joined
  997. arc has left
  998. arc has joined
  999. arc has left
  1000. arc has joined
  1001. mukt2 has left
  1002. arc has left
  1003. arc has joined
  1004. lskdjf has left
  1005. debacle has left
  1006. arc has left
  1007. arc has joined
  1008. arc has left
  1009. arc has joined
  1010. arc has left
  1011. arc has joined
  1012. arc has left
  1013. arc has joined
  1014. menel has left