XSF Discussion - 2021-05-07


  1. a8bk1gz76vgy has left

  2. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined

  3. lskdjf has left

  4. arc has left

  5. arc has joined

  6. arc has left

  7. arc has joined

  8. debacle has left

  9. Kev has left

  10. andrey.g has left

  11. Kev has joined

  12. arc has left

  13. arc has joined

  14. moparisthebest has left

  15. moparisthebest has joined

  16. arc has left

  17. arc has joined

  18. BASSGOD has left

  19. BASSGOD has joined

  20. stp has left

  21. Andrzej has joined

  22. alameyo has left

  23. alameyo has joined

  24. Andrzej has left

  25. a8bk1gz76vgy has left

  26. Andrzej has joined

  27. adiaholic has joined

  28. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined

  29. adiaholic has left

  30. adiaholic has joined

  31. adiaholic has left

  32. lovetox has left

  33. Andrzej has left

  34. adiaholic has joined

  35. Andrzej has joined

  36. arc has left

  37. arc has joined

  38. arc has left

  39. arc has joined

  40. arc has left

  41. arc has joined

  42. arc has left

  43. arc has joined

  44. wurstsalat has left

  45. arc has left

  46. arc has joined

  47. arc has left

  48. arc has joined

  49. Andrzej has left

  50. Andrzej has joined

  51. arc has left

  52. arc has joined

  53. arc has left

  54. arc has joined

  55. arc has left

  56. arc has joined

  57. wendy has joined

  58. arc has left

  59. arc has joined

  60. arc has left

  61. arc has joined

  62. a8bk1gz76vgy has left

  63. Andrzej has left

  64. arc has left

  65. arc has joined

  66. arc has left

  67. arc has joined

  68. arc has left

  69. arc has joined

  70. arc has left

  71. arc has joined

  72. arc has left

  73. arc has joined

  74. arc has left

  75. arc has joined

  76. Andrzej has joined

  77. menel has joined

  78. arc has left

  79. arc has joined

  80. arc has left

  81. arc has joined

  82. arc has left

  83. arc has joined

  84. Andrzej has left

  85. arc has left

  86. arc has joined

  87. arc has left

  88. arc has joined

  89. arc has left

  90. arc has joined

  91. arc has left

  92. arc has joined

  93. arc has left

  94. arc has joined

  95. arc has left

  96. arc has joined

  97. Adi has left

  98. jcbrand has left

  99. menel has left

  100. paul has left

  101. Adi has joined

  102. arc has left

  103. arc has joined

  104. arc has left

  105. arc has joined

  106. Zash has left

  107. adiaholic has left

  108. adiaholic has joined

  109. ti_gj06 has joined

  110. Andrzej has joined

  111. Zash has joined

  112. adiaholic has left

  113. arc has left

  114. arc has joined

  115. adiaholic has joined

  116. Yagiza has joined

  117. arc has left

  118. arc has joined

  119. alexbay218 has joined

  120. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined

  121. Andrzej has left

  122. Adi has left

  123. Adi has joined

  124. adiaholic has left

  125. Tobias has joined

  126. adiaholic has joined

  127. DebXWoody has joined

  128. arc has left

  129. arc has joined

  130. arc has left

  131. arc has joined

  132. arc has left

  133. arc has joined

  134. mimi89999 has left

  135. arc has left

  136. arc has joined

  137. arc has left

  138. arc has joined

  139. adiaholic has left

  140. adiaholic has joined

  141. andy has joined

  142. lorddavidiii has joined

  143. arc has left

  144. arc has joined

  145. alexbay218 has left

  146. arc has left

  147. arc has joined

  148. lovetox has joined

  149. arc has left

  150. arc has joined

  151. Andrzej has joined

  152. wendy has left

  153. arc has left

  154. arc has joined

  155. arc has left

  156. arc has joined

  157. arc has left

  158. arc has joined

  159. arc has left

  160. arc has joined

  161. arc has left

  162. arc has joined

  163. adiaholic has left

  164. adiaholic has joined

  165. abhishekkushwaha has joined

  166. arc has left

  167. arc has joined

  168. paul has joined

  169. arc has left

  170. arc has joined

  171. arc has left

  172. arc has joined

  173. abhishekkushwaha has left

  174. Andrzej has left

  175. abhishekkushwaha has joined

  176. abhishekkushwaha has left

  177. adiaholic has left

  178. Adi has left

  179. arc has left

  180. arc has joined

  181. adiaholic has joined

  182. Adi has joined

  183. Andrzej has joined

  184. arc has left

  185. arc has joined

  186. arc has left

  187. arc has joined

  188. arc has left

  189. arc has joined

  190. arc has left

  191. arc has joined

  192. arc has left

  193. arc has joined

  194. arc has left

  195. arc has joined

  196. arc has left

  197. arc has joined

  198. arc has left

  199. arc has joined

  200. Maranda has left

  201. jcbrand has joined

  202. adiaholic has left

  203. Maranda has joined

  204. arc has left

  205. arc has joined

  206. adiaholic has joined

  207. arc has left

  208. arc has joined

  209. Andrzej has left

  210. adiaholic has left

  211. Andrzej has joined

  212. arc has left

  213. arc has joined

  214. adiaholic has joined

  215. arc has left

  216. arc has joined

  217. arc has left

  218. arc has joined

  219. arc has left

  220. arc has joined

  221. goffi has joined

  222. arc has left

  223. Alex has left

  224. arc has joined

  225. ti_gj06 has left

  226. Andrzej has left

  227. wurstsalat has joined

  228. Sam has left

  229. mukt2 has joined

  230. Andrzej has joined

  231. xecks has joined

  232. goffi has left

  233. floretta has left

  234. Syndace has left

  235. Syndace has joined

  236. Sam has joined

  237. adiaholic has left

  238. adiaholic has joined

  239. Alex has joined

  240. emus has joined

  241. Syndace has left

  242. Syndace has joined

  243. Andrzej has left

  244. arc has left

  245. arc has joined

  246. arc has left

  247. arc has joined

  248. ti_gj06 has joined

  249. croax has joined

  250. adiaholic has left

  251. debacle has joined

  252. adiaholic has joined

  253. lorddavidiii has left

  254. ti_gj06 has left

  255. Andrzej has joined

  256. a8bk1gz76vgy has left

  257. adiaholic has left

  258. lorddavidiii has joined

  259. mukt2 has left

  260. pjn has left

  261. pjn has joined

  262. Andrzej has left

  263. floretta has joined

  264. adiaholic has joined

  265. BASSGOD has left

  266. arc has left

  267. Andrzej has joined

  268. arc has joined

  269. Guus has left

  270. arc has left

  271. arc has joined

  272. lskdjf has joined

  273. chronosx88 has left

  274. chronosx88 has joined

  275. arc has left

  276. arc has joined

  277. LNJ has joined

  278. arc has left

  279. arc has joined

  280. menel has joined

  281. mukt2 has joined

  282. floretta has left

  283. Andrzej has left

  284. wendy has joined

  285. debacle has left

  286. arc has left

  287. arc has joined

  288. adiaholic has left

  289. arc has left

  290. arc has joined

  291. arc has left

  292. arc has joined

  293. adiaholic has joined

  294. arc has left

  295. arc has joined

  296. arc has left

  297. arc has joined

  298. mukt2 has left

  299. arc has left

  300. arc has joined

  301. arc has left

  302. arc has joined

  303. arc has left

  304. arc has joined

  305. adiaholic has left

  306. mukt2 has joined

  307. arc has left

  308. arc has joined

  309. adiaholic has joined

  310. arc has left

  311. arc has joined

  312. Syndace has left

  313. Syndace has joined

  314. goffi has joined

  315. mukt2 has left

  316. adiaholic has left

  317. Andrzej has joined

  318. bean has joined

  319. adiaholic has joined

  320. Syndace has left

  321. Syndace has joined

  322. lskdjf has left

  323. Andrzej has left

  324. adiaholic has left

  325. mimi89999 has joined

  326. adiaholic has joined

  327. Syndace has left

  328. Syndace has joined

  329. lskdjf has joined

  330. adiaholic has left

  331. adiaholic has joined

  332. Andrzej has joined

  333. Steve Kille has left

  334. Syndace has left

  335. Syndace has joined

  336. Steve Kille has joined

  337. floretta has joined

  338. adiaholic has left

  339. adiaholic has joined

  340. serge90 has left

  341. serge90 has joined

  342. stp has joined

  343. adiaholic has left

  344. alacer has left

  345. adiaholic has joined

  346. eevvoor has left

  347. adiaholic has left

  348. adiaholic has joined

  349. debacle has joined

  350. ti_gj06 has joined

  351. Andrzej has left

  352. BASSGOD has joined

  353. andrey.g has joined

  354. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined

  355. Andrzej has joined

  356. mukt2 has joined

  357. Freddy has left

  358. Freddy has joined

  359. chronosx88 has left

  360. chronosx88 has joined

  361. Wojtek has joined

  362. mukt2 has left

  363. floretta has left

  364. adiaholic has left

  365. adiaholic has joined

  366. alacer has joined

  367. Andrzej has left

  368. Andrzej has joined

  369. Adi has left

  370. Guus has joined

  371. Adi has joined

  372. arc has left

  373. arc has joined

  374. Wojtek has left

  375. Wojtek has joined

  376. Andrzej has left

  377. Wojtek has left

  378. arc has left

  379. arc has joined

  380. wendy has left

  381. a8bk1gz76vgy has left

  382. floretta has joined

  383. Syndace has left

  384. Syndace has joined

  385. adiaholic has left

  386. mukt2 has joined

  387. Wojtek has joined

  388. ti_gj06 has left

  389. ti_gj06 has joined

  390. adiaholic has joined

  391. Wojtek has left

  392. Wojtek has joined

  393. Syndace has left

  394. Syndace has joined

  395. Wojtek has left

  396. adiaholic has left

  397. bean has left

  398. adiaholic has joined

  399. floretta has left

  400. bean has joined

  401. Syndace has left

  402. Syndace has joined

  403. andrey.g has left

  404. mukt2 has left

  405. arc has left

  406. arc has joined

  407. arc has left

  408. arc has joined

  409. Wojtek has joined

  410. debacle has left

  411. mathijs has left

  412. Syndace has left

  413. Syndace has joined

  414. mukt2 has joined

  415. Maranda has left

  416. Maranda has joined

  417. adiaholic has left

  418. ti_gj06 has left

  419. adiaholic has joined

  420. mathijs has joined

  421. adiaholic has left

  422. adiaholic has joined

  423. wendy has joined

  424. adiaholic has left

  425. lskdjf has left

  426. adiaholic has joined

  427. floretta has joined

  428. lskdjf has joined

  429. Wojtek has left

  430. Wojtek has joined

  431. ti_gj06 has joined

  432. arc has left

  433. ti_gj06 has left

  434. arc has joined

  435. ti_gj06 has joined

  436. xecks has left

  437. ti_gj06 has left

  438. xecks has joined

  439. wladmis has left

  440. wladmis has joined

  441. wendy has left

  442. mathijs has left

  443. andrey.g has joined

  444. chronosx88 has left

  445. chronosx88 has joined

  446. Sam

    Ge0rG: would you be interested in doing an Office Hours about the traffic you've seen on your server due to Vaxbot and how you monitor / resolve it? Doesn't have to be anything formal, just a quick talk about how your monitoring setup works and some of the things you've tried to do to keep the service stable

  447. Sam

    Just something along the lines of your blog post

  448. Syndace has left

  449. Syndace has joined

  450. stpeter has joined

  451. stpeter has left

  452. DebXWoody has left

  453. Seve has left

  454. inky has joined

  455. adiaholic has left

  456. DebXWoody has joined

  457. adiaholic has joined

  458. debacle has joined

  459. mukt2 has left

  460. adiaholic has left

  461. mukt2 has joined

  462. adiaholic has joined

  463. x51 has joined

  464. mathijs has joined

  465. arc has left

  466. arc has joined

  467. arc has left

  468. arc has joined

  469. Daniel has left

  470. Daniel has joined

  471. arc has left

  472. arc has joined

  473. arc has left

  474. arc has joined

  475. arc has left

  476. arc has joined

  477. arc has left

  478. arc has joined

  479. arc has left

  480. arc has joined

  481. arc has left

  482. arc has joined

  483. stpeter has joined

  484. stpeter has left

  485. Guus has left

  486. papatutuwawa has joined

  487. arc has left

  488. arc has joined

  489. arc has left

  490. arc has joined

  491. arc has left

  492. arc has joined

  493. arc has left

  494. arc has joined

  495. arc has left

  496. adiaholic has left

  497. mukt2 has left

  498. mathijs has left

  499. mathijs has joined

  500. adiaholic has joined

  501. mukt2 has joined

  502. arc has joined

  503. arc has left

  504. arc has joined

  505. arc has left

  506. marek

    > Ge0rG: would you be interested in doing an Office Hours about the traffic you've seen on your server due to Vaxbot and how you monitor / resolve it? Doesn't have to be anything formal, just a quick talk about how your monitoring setup works and some of the things you've tried to do to keep the service stable > Just something along the lines of your blog post I have also seen the question or more an offer of another server admin to spread the load via his server.

  507. arc has joined

  508. arc has left

  509. arc has joined

  510. adiaholic has left

  511. arc has left

  512. arc has joined

  513. arc has left

  514. arc has joined

  515. adiaholic has joined

  516. arc has left

  517. arc has joined

  518. arc has left

  519. arc has joined

  520. arc has left

  521. arc has joined

  522. arc has left

  523. arc has joined

  524. arc has left

  525. arc has joined

  526. Syndace has left

  527. Syndace has joined

  528. Steve Kille has left

  529. papatutuwawa has left

  530. menel has left

  531. menel has joined

  532. peetah has left

  533. arc has left

  534. arc has joined

  535. arc has left

  536. arc has joined

  537. arc has left

  538. arc has joined

  539. arc has left

  540. arc has joined

  541. mukt2 has left

  542. Sam has left

  543. arc has left

  544. arc has joined

  545. Syndace has left

  546. Syndace has joined

  547. mathijs has left

  548. arc has left

  549. arc has joined

  550. arc has left

  551. arc has joined

  552. arc has left

  553. arc has joined

  554. emus has left

  555. adiaholic has left

  556. mathijs has joined

  557. arc has left

  558. arc has joined

  559. arc has left

  560. arc has joined

  561. mathijs has left

  562. mathijs has joined

  563. emus has joined

  564. Sam has joined

  565. arc has left

  566. arc has joined

  567. arc has left

  568. arc has joined

  569. arc has left

  570. arc has joined

  571. Guus has joined

  572. arc has left

  573. arc has joined

  574. Steve Kille has joined

  575. Steve Kille has left

  576. Steve Kille has joined

  577. mathijs has left

  578. hamish has left

  579. adiaholic has joined

  580. arc has left

  581. arc has joined

  582. arc has left

  583. arc has joined

  584. arc has left

  585. arc has joined

  586. mathijs has joined

  587. mukt2 has joined

  588. Guus has left

  589. pjn has left

  590. hamish has joined

  591. papatutuwawa has joined

  592. Syndace has left

  593. Syndace has joined

  594. adiaholic has left

  595. BASSGOD has left

  596. arc has left

  597. arc has joined

  598. arc has left

  599. arc has joined

  600. andrey.g has left

  601. adiaholic has joined

  602. andy has left

  603. adiaholic has left

  604. BASSGOD has joined

  605. mathijs has left

  606. arc has left

  607. arc has joined

  608. menel has left

  609. arc has left

  610. arc has joined

  611. pjn has joined

  612. mathijs has joined

  613. adiaholic has joined

  614. emus

    The deployment worked finally: https://xmpp.org/2021/04/newsletter-04-april/

  615. mukt2 has left

  616. adiaholic has left

  617. adiaholic has joined

  618. neshtaxmpp has left

  619. neshtaxmpp has joined

  620. mukt2 has joined

  621. Syndace has left

  622. Syndace has joined

  623. peetah has joined

  624. xecks has left

  625. xecks has joined

  626. adiaholic has left

  627. adiaholic has joined

  628. werdan has joined

  629. xecks has left

  630. xecks has joined

  631. menel has joined

  632. adiaholic has left

  633. xecks has left

  634. xecks has joined

  635. Ge0rG

    marek: I'm interested in a server provider offering IBR without captcha as a fallback server.

  636. adiaholic has joined

  637. Syndace has left

  638. Syndace has joined

  639. xecks has left

  640. xecks has joined

  641. chronosx88 has left

  642. chronosx88 has joined

  643. arc has left

  644. arc has joined

  645. adiaholic has left

  646. adiaholic has joined

  647. Guus has joined

  648. chronosx88 has left

  649. chronosx88 has joined

  650. Alex has left

  651. Alex has joined

  652. mathijs has left

  653. mathijs has joined

  654. mathijs has left

  655. mathijs has joined

  656. Syndace has left

  657. Syndace has joined

  658. xecks has left

  659. xecks has joined

  660. BASSGOD has left

  661. BASSGOD has joined

  662. xecks has left

  663. LNJ has left

  664. emus

    Hello and good Friday โค๏ธ The XMPP Newsletter on April has been published - again it would be fine if one could make a tweet based on this: https://fosstodon.org/web/statuses/106195170518281226

  665. mathijs has left

  666. mathijs has joined

  667. lovetox

    251

  668. lovetox

    4

  669. lovetox

    '*

  670. Zash

    Kids or cats?

  671. lovetox

    please forgive me :/

  672. lovetox

    my kid

  673. lovetox

    :D

  674. Mikaela has joined

  675. Wojtek has left

  676. Andrzej has joined

  677. mukt2 has left

  678. Mikaela has left

  679. xecks has joined

  680. BASSGOD has left

  681. BASSGOD has joined

  682. Andrzej has left

  683. adiaholic has left

  684. adiaholic has joined

  685. adiaholic has left

  686. Syndace has left

  687. Daniel has left

  688. Syndace has joined

  689. Daniel has joined

  690. adiaholic has joined

  691. andy has joined

  692. chronosx88 has left

  693. chronosx88 has joined

  694. adiaholic has left

  695. mukt2 has joined

  696. papatutuwawa has left

  697. papatutuwawa has joined

  698. ti_gj06 has joined

  699. moparisthebest

    so XEP-0352 doesn't give any indication (pun intended) of what stanzas should be dropped, which should be delayed, or really anything else in the implementation right?

  700. MattJ

    XEP-0352 is not about dropping, delaying or anything else, no

  701. moparisthebest

    shouldn't that be defined in places other than various server implementations ? :/ (they also don't seem to remotely agree)

  702. MattJ

    It's purely a signal to the server about the client's current state

  703. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: please read the servers and write an Informational XEP

  704. MattJ

    What servers do with that info is their business. If you want to try to spec some optimizations, go for it :)

  705. Ge0rG

    I hate all these hand-wavy "implementation defined behavior" XEPs.

  706. moparisthebest

    there are, eh, semi-security considerations that exist with these implementations

  707. moparisthebest

    maybe not security, but I don't know how else to say it

  708. moparisthebest

    I think it'd be easy to regularly send silent stanzas to mucs and drain everyone's battery

  709. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest: you can do that without any XEPs.

  710. arc has left

  711. arc has joined

  712. moparisthebest

    but you can't document that in XEP-0352 because it doesn't say you should do anything at all

  713. MattJ

    What would you even document?

  714. MattJ

    There will always be stanzas that need to be forwarded

  715. moparisthebest

    probably advice for both servers and clients

  716. arc has left

  717. arc has joined

  718. moparisthebest

    stanzas with bodies will be displayed, not silent, no big deal

  719. MattJ

    and optimizations will only help, they're not the problem here

  720. MattJ

    Pretend 352 doesn't exist, and servers have no optimisations. The same silent stanzas will have the same behaviour...

  721. moparisthebest

    stanzas with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0380.html with an unknown type might be simply dropped by clients, but forwarded by servers, that's a silent battery eater

  722. adiaholic has joined

  723. arc has left

  724. arc has joined

  725. moparisthebest

    so the advice would either be for servers to drop ones without valid formats, or for clients to always display something on such a thing

  726. arc has left

  727. arc has joined

  728. Zash

    If silently wasting battery is an attack, then let me tell you about xep 199

  729. MattJ

    :)

  730. Yagiza has left

  731. moparisthebest

    yes, that too, the advice for that would likely just be don't have mucs forward that, do they now ?

  732. MattJ

    You can't broadcast iqs, but MUCs would usually forward those sent to occupant JIDs

  733. arc has left

  734. arc has joined

  735. arc has left

  736. arc has joined

  737. Zash

    ... to the full JID

  738. Zash

    Unless it's one of the special iq stanzas that get redirected to the bare JID

  739. mathijs has left

  740. Zash

    Unless it's not implemented like that and instead the server handles full JID iqs

  741. Zash

    Unless ...

  742. adiaholic has left

  743. arc has left

  744. arc has joined

  745. arc has left

  746. arc has joined

  747. arc has left

  748. arc has joined

  749. moparisthebest

    so what we need is a bot that can join MUCs and do everything that can possibly eat all the member's batteries silently? :)

  750. L29Ah

    challenge accepted!

  751. MattJ

    Please include OOB URLs to infinite HTTP streams

  752. moparisthebest

    that's probably interesting outside of MUCs too, probably all sorts of silent stanzas you can send to a known JID constantly

  753. moparisthebest

    ooh nice MattJ

  754. chronosx88 has left

  755. chronosx88 has joined

  756. moparisthebest

    like an http server that responds to HEAD requests with an endless stream of random headers ?

  757. Zash

    That's actually perfectly legal.

  758. Zash

    Thanks HTTP!

  759. Zash

    IIRC the standards-mandated limits are ... per header...

  760. arc has left

  761. moparisthebest

    the question is how does your average HTTP library handle it

  762. arc has joined

  763. L29Ah

    OOM on sight

  764. moparisthebest

    I'm going to assume most of them handle it by eating memory until they explode

  765. arc has left

  766. arc has joined

  767. Zash

    Probably. You go have fun now. ๐Ÿ™‚

  768. lorddavidiii has left

  769. adiaholic has joined

  770. arc has left

  771. arc has joined

  772. arc has left

  773. arc has joined

  774. moparisthebest

    ( echo -en 'HTTP/1.1 200 OK\r\nConnection: keep-alive\r\n'; while true; do echo -en 'bla: bla\r\n'; done ) | nc -l 8080 -w 1

  775. moparisthebest

    command line curl handles it fine by buffering nothing I guess

  776. BASSGOD has left

  777. arc has left

  778. arc has joined

  779. adiaholic has left

  780. arc has left

  781. arc has joined

  782. arc has left

  783. deuill has left

  784. arc has joined

  785. arc has left

  786. arc has joined

  787. deuill has joined

  788. arc has left

  789. arc has joined

  790. Syndace has left

  791. Syndace has joined

  792. arc has left

  793. arc has joined

  794. arc has left

  795. arc has joined

  796. adiaholic has joined

  797. arc has left

  798. arc has joined

  799. mukt2 has left

  800. arc has left

  801. arc has joined

  802. chronosx88 has left

  803. chronosx88 has joined

  804. arc has left

  805. moparisthebest

    and to test servers: ( echo -en 'GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: www.moparisthebest.com\r\nUser-Agent: curl/7.76.0\r\nAccept: */*\r\n'; while true; do echo -en 'bla: bla\r\n'; done ) | nc -4 www.moparisthebest.com 80

  806. arc has joined

  807. moparisthebest

    nginx responds with 400 Bad Request "400 Request Header Or Cookie Too Large"

  808. BASSGOD has joined

  809. LNJ has joined

  810. wendy has joined

  811. Zash

    pro-tip: `nc -C` if you have a version with that flag

  812. Zash

    to translate \n โ†’ \r\n

  813. moparisthebest

    I never know if a given machine has BSD or GNU nc :(

  814. adiaholic has left

  815. esil has joined

  816. esil has left

  817. Ge0rG

    moparisthebest [20:49]: > stanzas with https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0380.html with an unknown type might be simply dropped by clients, but forwarded by servers, that's a silent battery eater I'd love to have a server side filter that would drop all elements not listed in a client's disco features

  818. mukt2 has joined

  819. LNJ has left

  820. Zash

    Ge0rG: I tried something like that, tho it may have involved filtering stuff from presence. Vague memory of it causing breakage.

  821. moparisthebest

    I wonder how many stanzas clients receive in practice that they ignore, or at least end up invisible to the user

  822. MattJ

    Very many

  823. BASSGOD has left

  824. Zash

    If you're in a bunch of public channels, oh so much presence

  825. eta

    I need to install that prosody CSI module that just drops presence on the floor

  826. Zash

    Violates protocol and expectations, not recommended

  827. moparisthebest

    what prompted all of this was a person complaining in a muc about how much battery his conversations used, I counted that I'm in 53 mucs and mine hardly uses any battery, but there are so many things it could be I don't even know where to start

  828. Zash

    Tho maybe that got fixed so the dropped stanzas don't count in 198

  829. Zash

    moparisthebest: and did they check that CSI is enabled?

  830. moparisthebest

    yes but they use ejabberd, which at a glance does entirely different things than prosody's mod_csi_simple

  831. eta

    I constantly suspect conversations uses more battery than it lets on

  832. Zash

    IIRC the most common wake up reason for me is client activity in the form of periodic pings, and their responses

  833. moparisthebest

    it seems like the battery % android gives is utterly dependent on your rom, vendor, version, the color of the sky, and everything else too; but that's a different can of worms

  834. eta

    the issue I have is I suspect conversations is waking up for every irrelevant MUC message

  835. LNJ has joined

  836. Zash

    I've got a thing for that, so I can mark MUCs as "unimportant" and then those won't trigger CSI flush

  837. BASSGOD has joined

  838. mathijs has joined

  839. Zash

    I would like to have that tied into Something in the future, possibly some bookmarks2 mini-extension.

  840. eta

    Zash: I saw that module, but it requires manually marking them all as unimportant

  841. eta

    I want them to be like, default unimportant

  842. eta

    (and important if it's a modern XMPP "groupchat" instead of "channel")

  843. Zash

    eta, you and me both

  844. eta

    the latter part requires more trickery though

  845. Zash

    But I'm told this doesn't work for Normal Users

  846. eta

    I've also done the radicalish thing of using bookmarks2 everywhere

  847. eta

    with hacked up Dino and conversations

  848. Zash

    If there were a way to distinguish "groupchat" from "channel" based on only the stuff you see on join... but you don't afaik

  849. eta

    yeah exactly

  850. eta

    well, no, invite only is a good one

  851. Seve has joined

  852. eta

    but I guess that's in data forms

  853. Zash

    which would require that the module do a disco, which is certainly possible, but complicates it a bit

  854. eta

    hence trickery

  855. arc has left

  856. arc has joined

  857. arc has left

  858. arc has joined

  859. Zash

    but that may not be a perfect method either

  860. BASSGOD has left

  861. arc has left

  862. arc has joined

  863. eta

    how easy is querying bookmarks2

  864. adiaholic has joined

  865. Zash

    I mean, basing it only on whether a particular MUC is "channel" or "groupchat", but it could certainly be used as a default.

  866. Zash

    Some property saved by clients in BM2 would be nicer.

  867. arc has left

  868. arc has joined

  869. eta

    Zash: I have a conversations commit that saves such a property :p

  870. Zash

    Neat

  871. eta

    mainly because I got tired of having to reconfigure notification prefs

  872. eta

    when it used to eat the database

  873. eta

    this required patching Dino to not instantly clobber the property when the bookmarks change

  874. adiaholic has left

  875. ti_gj06 has left

  876. chronosx88 has left

  877. chronosx88 has joined

  878. ti_gj06 has joined

  879. papatutuwawa has left

  880. arc has left

  881. arc has joined

  882. BASSGOD has joined

  883. BASSGOD has left

  884. bean has left

  885. arc has left

  886. arc has joined

  887. Daniel has left

  888. Daniel has joined

  889. arc has left

  890. arc has joined

  891. bean has joined

  892. bean has left

  893. bean has joined

  894. andy has left

  895. bean has left

  896. Syndace has left

  897. Syndace has joined

  898. bean has joined

  899. bean has left

  900. bean has joined

  901. bean has left

  902. bean has joined

  903. mukt2 has left

  904. bean has left

  905. karoshi has left

  906. pjn has left

  907. BASSGOD has joined

  908. Ge0rG

    Why not using mentions of the nickname if there is a body, or EME otherwise

  909. Ge0rG

    Private rooms will all have OMENNO, right?

  910. BASSGOD has left

  911. emus

    Ge0rG - no one apart from the Germans will understand your OMENNO ๐Ÿ˜‰

  912. pjn has joined

  913. sebastian

    > Private rooms will all have OMENNO, right? Not sure if subtle joke or autocorrect ๐Ÿค”

  914. xecks has left

  915. Tobias has left

  916. bean has joined

  917. mukt2 has joined

  918. ti_gj06 has left

  919. wendy has left

  920. x51 has left

  921. werdan has left

  922. sonny has left

  923. sonny has joined

  924. sonny has left

  925. sonny has joined

  926. goffi has left

  927. adiaholic has joined

  928. BASSGOD has joined

  929. bean has left

  930. BASSGOD has left

  931. adiaholic has left

  932. Ge0rG

    sebastian: yes

  933. arc has left

  934. arc has joined

  935. BASSGOD has joined

  936. arc has left

  937. arc has joined

  938. emus

    > sebastian escribiรณ: > Not sure if subtle joke or autocorrect ๐Ÿค” subtle German joke ๐Ÿ™‚

  939. pjn has left

  940. mukt2 has left

  941. Syndace has left

  942. Syndace has joined

  943. alameyo has left

  944. alameyo has joined

  945. Vaulor has left

  946. LNJ has left

  947. xutaxkamay has left

  948. xutaxkamay has joined

  949. pjn has joined

  950. Seve has left

  951. xutaxkamay has left

  952. xutaxkamay has joined

  953. xutaxkamay has left

  954. xutaxkamay has joined

  955. wurstsalat has left

  956. mukt2 has joined

  957. Syndace has left

  958. arc has left

  959. arc has joined

  960. Syndace has joined

  961. xutaxkamay has left

  962. xutaxkamay has joined

  963. arc has left

  964. arc has joined

  965. arc has left

  966. arc has joined

  967. arc has left

  968. arc has joined

  969. eevvoor has joined

  970. arc has left

  971. arc has joined

  972. arc has left

  973. arc has joined

  974. arc has left

  975. arc has joined

  976. a8bk1gz76vgy has joined

  977. arc has left

  978. arc has joined

  979. arc has left

  980. arc has joined

  981. arc has left

  982. arc has joined

  983. arc has left

  984. arc has joined

  985. arc has left

  986. arc has joined

  987. arc has left

  988. arc has joined

  989. arc has left

  990. arc has joined

  991. arc has left

  992. arc has joined

  993. arc has left

  994. arc has joined

  995. arc has left

  996. arc has joined

  997. arc has left

  998. arc has joined

  999. arc has left

  1000. arc has joined

  1001. mukt2 has left

  1002. arc has left

  1003. arc has joined

  1004. lskdjf has left

  1005. debacle has left

  1006. arc has left

  1007. arc has joined

  1008. arc has left

  1009. arc has joined

  1010. arc has left

  1011. arc has joined

  1012. arc has left

  1013. arc has joined

  1014. menel has left