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  944. edhelas https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/17/the-matrix-space-beta
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  1056. qrpnxz nice
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  1059. eevvoor deadline application is 23rd, right?
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  1063. qrpnxz app for what
  1064. eevvoor XSF application deadline is 23rd, right?
  1065. eevvoor Chan Shen, your friends sound like mine :D but some of them use XMPP just for me.
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  1068. qrpnxz good friends then
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  1078. eevvoor qrpnxz, yes otherwise it is dificult.
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  1155. deuill Some drama happening around Freenode: https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt
  1156. deuill I'm wondering if this might spur efforts around providing IRC and XMPP services under the same umbrella.
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  1169. yushyin on that matter I read a couple of times 'it's time to migrate to matrix' in many freenode channels I participate
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  1173. qrpnxz XMPP-ADDR states: ``` An entity that prepares a string for inclusion in an XMPP domainpart slot MUST ensure that the string consists only of Unicode code points that are allowed in NR-LDH labels or U-labels. [...] This implies that the string MUST NOT include A-labels as defined in [RFC5890]; ``` Ummm, how is this implied? All codepoints used in A-labels may be used in NR-LDH- or U-labels.
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  1176. Zash Heh, "implies" ... "MUST NOT"
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  1179. Zash What was A-labels again? Plain ASCII, possibly punycoded?
  1180. qrpnxz A-labels are "xn--PUNYCODE"
  1181. qrpnxz which is indeed ascii and hyphens
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  1183. Ge0rG it's ascii and hyphens all the way down.
  1184. qrpnxz 🤪️
  1185. Zash So I guess it says that xmpp:user@xn--blah is forbidden
  1186. Zash good: xmpp:nödåtgärd bad: xmpp:xn--ndtgrd-euaf5m
  1187. qrpnxz right
  1188. qrpnxz which is sad
  1189. qrpnxz less work for me, but sad
  1190. Zash Why?
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  1192. qrpnxz why less work? because i don't have to support puny ofc
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  1194. qrpnxz why sad? i think puny is more efficient in some cases, and also it's helpful for some systems ig idk
  1195. Sam What do you mean by "efficient"?
  1196. Zash You still need to care about it nearer the DNS layer.
  1197. MattJ It only exists for backwards-compatibility with DNS
  1198. qrpnxz Sam, that sometimes puny would allow encoding more code points than a U-label.
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  1201. Zash Everything in XMPP is Unicode, UTF-8-encoded. It would be a bit weird to pass around punycoded stuff, especially as these are user-facing strings.
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  1203. Sam I'm still not entirely sure what you mean, so I may be mimsunderstanding you, but that's almost certainly not true. Punycode is encoding Unicode, UTF-8 is also encoding Unicode. You can't have more Unicode in one vs another and UTF-8 is definitely one of the most efficient and widely used ways to encode Unicode in general
  1204. qrpnxz all A-label are transformable to U-label, so display is not an issue, but yeah better to just cut fat and only do U-label ig
  1205. Sam Yah, that's a better way to say it
  1206. qrpnxz Sam, the IDNA standard says so so i'm not gonna contradict it lol
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  1209. qrpnxz also UTF-8 is not very efficient for high code points like say chinese. If most of your text is chinese you might wanna do UTF-32 except that compression exists so don't do that xD.
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  1211. Sam Okay, I see what you're saying, I suppose in very specific circumstances it could save some space. Thanks.
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  1241. flow you really don't want people to enter A-labels when asked for their XMPP domain (or JID), do you?
  1242. qrpnxz i don't have a problem
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  1247. flow qrpnxz, I know. I was tyring to point out that I don't believe you have a reason to be sad :)
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