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emus
No, I dont think so
emus
Alex:
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Alex
not started yet. Was a long holiday weekend here in Germany. Will start the bot today after catching up with some work and requests 😀
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👍
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eevvoor
XD
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şişio
no voice and video calls on the computer
şişio
windows
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şişio
right?
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Zash
That would depend on the client.
şişio
which client has got video call in the windows
jonas’
dino might
şişio
windows?
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All I know is that in the past (~10 years ago) it was difficult to get the relevant media libraries running on Windows, so the functionality was mostly limited to Linux, at least among open source clients.
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Zash
Dino did get voice & video call support recently, not sure if it works in the unofficial windows builds. There's a chat for that somewhere you could ask.
Umh... xmpp:jdev@muc.xmpp.org seems to be idle kind of... right ?
moparisthebest
sometimes yes, sometimes no, be the change you want to see :)
Zash
For 4 hours?
qrpnxz
stuff that could go on jdev i tend to put here instead, or maybe in the operators chat, they are closely related
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> sometimes yes, sometimes no, be the change you want to see :)
Inspiring quote, moparisthebest
moparisthebest
the line between "standards" and "code" is very fine, or sometimes doesn't exist
jl4
Ah, qrpnxz
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jonas’
Kev, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1047 can you give this another review please?
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flow, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1059 wanna officially unblock this by giving another review?
flow
jonas’, done
jonas’
flow, thanks!
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Zash
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/848 😑️
Zash
is https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/988 ready?
flow
I'd love to see a author response deadline, something like 6-10 weeks. Such timeouts incentivize author responses in my experience from other projects
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Zash, no, 988 still needs that thing fixed I mentioned in the comments
jonas’
flow, no, they only piss authors off
jonas’
when I see a project autoclosing issues, I go away.
flow
I am not talking about autoclosing issues
jonas’
what’s the difference?
flow
(I think those are harmfull myself)
flow
the difference is that you don't close the issue
jonas’
what do you do then?
mathieui
jonas’, more like "delegate to council after X weeks of the author not taking the time to answer, except if they request an extension)" I guess
jonas’
mathieui, ah well, at least half of the linked ones need work done, not a decision.
flow
that's a good question. first, it is obvious that the XEP authors are not able to support it in a reasonable fashion at the moment
flow
which is bad, as it stalls further development
jonas’
'848 we can bring to council easily
flow
and makes contributors sad, as their work has no way to progress forward
moparisthebest
insta-merge if no objection in X weeks :P
jonas’
then council will have something to vote on for a change
flow
so I think there a multiple options how to proceed from there, which do not necessarily have to be exclusive
flow
one is to defer to council for a decission
flow
another one is to ask if someone from the community wants to continue maintaining the XEP
mathieui
maybe have a way to temporarily delegate authorship when the author is unresponsive?
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we can already delegate authorship
jonas’
if people cared enough that is
mathieui
true
jonas’
more process isn’t going to help this :)
flow
not sure, it sure would be a good sign to the average contributor if someone else steps in after a author response timeout
mathieui
I was more thinking of "ask the person blocked by the unresponsiveness if they want to do the work required"
flow
instead of the current situation where PRs just lay dormant for months
mathieui
but yeah, adding more layers of process when the main issue is lack of manpower is not going to help much
L29Ah
moparisthebest: https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd do i get it right this is python2?
flow
i'd be happy to perdiocially screen old PRs and check them for author responses, so manpower shouldn't be an issue in this particular case
moparisthebest
L29Ah, yep
flow
but first, we have to agree on a process
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jonas’
flow, PLEASE do then
jonas’
we don’t need process for that
jonas’
pinging authors we can do already
jonas’
and if you find stale PRs which seem somehow useful, bring them to council
flow
I don't feel qualified and/or authorized to judge PRs usefullness, so I would probably simply label all PRs with where the author response is more than 8 weeks outstanding as "Needs Council"
flow
I could do that, but it feels wrong to assign some entity work prior asking that entity
jonas’
good thing that I’m council chair :)
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by "useful", I mean anything which isn’t obviously obsolete / broken / incomplete (based e.g. on existing comments)
jonas’
for instance, '988 is not for council
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Zash
Is storing contact vcards a thing anyone cares about anyway?
jonas’
I don’t know
Zash
Roster notes was a thing, right?
eevvoor
I like vcards. They are a standard.
jonas’
vcard-temp
jonas’runs
eevvoor
I try to sync them between diferent technologies.
Zashyeets <UPPERCASE TAG NAMES> after jonas’
L29Ahstores his phone contacts as vcard as everything understands it
eevvoor
vcard-tmp2 perhaps better?
eevvoor
:D
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Sure... too much segmentation, sometimes...
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eevvoor
Yeay, I have voted :).
Alex
Memberbot is online now and happy to talk to you ;-)
eevvoor
I hit two records: I was the last to write the application and the first to vote.
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qrpnxz
i like vcards like I like my passwords, not on servers.
If you have suggestions on how we can find out, let us know :)
şişio
😀😀
jonas’
I have numbers, but they are certainly wrong and I can’t tell by which factor *or* in which direction, so they’re as good as SystemRandom().getrandint()✎
şişio
But it seems like a lot
jonas’
I have numbers, but they are certainly wrong and I can’t tell by which factor *or* in which direction, so they’re as ~good~ bad as SystemRandom().getrandint() ✏
jonas’
(please don’t use those numbers to roll private keys)
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There are some stats on Prosody servers here: https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospective/ (but that doesn't include other implementations [Prosody is roughly around 50% of the known public network]), and it doesn't tell us how many users are on any of these servers
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şişio
85k server...
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> And this only counts instances using port 5269 and accessible to the internet.
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qrpnxz
şişio, about a gajillion
Zash
Also depends on what you count as "XMPP"
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from XSF https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html
qrpnxz
^ some numbers
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L29Ah
ganjillion
L29Ah
personally i count all IRC networks accessible through biboumi as XMPP
L29Ah
(at least this method works for Matrix)
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eevvoor
then there exists no IRC for me.
eevvoor
Everything in IRC I need is accessible via biboumi.
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What about everything reachable through the Matrix-XMPP bridge?
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moparisthebest
Matrix would count that
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Multiple times too!
moparisthebest
In theory XMPP can be bridged to talk to everyone so what's the population of the earth?
Zash
jmp.chat you say?
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ben
smtp.cheogram.com also
şişio
> from XSF https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html
> ^ some numbers
İs this really right?