XSF Discussion - 2021-05-25


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  183. şişio Yes
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  200. eevvoor Voting has not started yet? The bot does not answer me ...
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  232. emus No, I dont think so
  233. emus Alex:
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  236. Alex not started yet. Was a long holiday weekend here in Germany. Will start the bot today after catching up with some work and requests 😀
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  238. emus 👍
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  250. eevvoor XD
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  273. şişio no voice and video calls on the computer
  274. şişio windows
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  282. şişio right?
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  284. Zash That would depend on the client.
  285. şişio which client has got video call in the windows
  286. jonas’ dino might
  287. şişio windows?
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  289. Zash All I know is that in the past (~10 years ago) it was difficult to get the relevant media libraries running on Windows, so the functionality was mostly limited to Linux, at least among open source clients.
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  291. Zash Dino did get voice & video call support recently, not sure if it works in the unofficial windows builds. There's a chat for that somewhere you could ask.
  292. şişio Zash So there is no video calls in Win
  293. Zash I did not say that.
  294. Zash I do not use windows, so I don't know.
  295. şişio ok.
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  301. şişio Thanks > şişio: xmpp:dino-win@chat.diebesban.de?join
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  340. jl4 Heya xmmp istas, nice to be here
  341. Zash Hiya
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  343. jl4 Here conversation is about standards, right ? ☺
  344. moparisthebest yep, specifically XMPP standards :)
  345. Zash and a touch of XSF organizational meta
  346. jl4 Okeey , crystal clear
  347. jl4 I got to the xmpp beast heart's ? 😅
  348. jl4 A pleasure... eager to learn from
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  350. jl4 Umh... xmpp:jdev@muc.xmpp.org seems to be idle kind of... right ?
  351. moparisthebest sometimes yes, sometimes no, be the change you want to see :)
  352. Zash For 4 hours?
  353. qrpnxz stuff that could go on jdev i tend to put here instead, or maybe in the operators chat, they are closely related
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  356. jl4 > sometimes yes, sometimes no, be the change you want to see :) Inspiring quote, moparisthebest
  357. moparisthebest the line between "standards" and "code" is very fine, or sometimes doesn't exist
  358. jl4 Ah, qrpnxz
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  397. jonas’ Kev, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1047 can you give this another review please?
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  402. jonas’ flow, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1059 wanna officially unblock this by giving another review?
  403. flow jonas’, done
  404. jonas’ flow, thanks!
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  409. Zash https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/848 😑️
  410. Zash is https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/988 ready?
  411. flow I'd love to see a author response deadline, something like 6-10 weeks. Such timeouts incentivize author responses in my experience from other projects
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  416. jonas’ Zash, no, 988 still needs that thing fixed I mentioned in the comments
  417. jonas’ flow, no, they only piss authors off
  418. jonas’ when I see a project autoclosing issues, I go away.
  419. flow I am not talking about autoclosing issues
  420. jonas’ what’s the difference?
  421. flow (I think those are harmfull myself)
  422. flow the difference is that you don't close the issue
  423. jonas’ what do you do then?
  424. mathieui jonas’, more like "delegate to council after X weeks of the author not taking the time to answer, except if they request an extension)" I guess
  425. jonas’ mathieui, ah well, at least half of the linked ones need work done, not a decision.
  426. flow that's a good question. first, it is obvious that the XEP authors are not able to support it in a reasonable fashion at the moment
  427. flow which is bad, as it stalls further development
  428. jonas’ '848 we can bring to council easily
  429. flow and makes contributors sad, as their work has no way to progress forward
  430. moparisthebest insta-merge if no objection in X weeks :P
  431. jonas’ then council will have something to vote on for a change
  432. flow so I think there a multiple options how to proceed from there, which do not necessarily have to be exclusive
  433. flow one is to defer to council for a decission
  434. flow another one is to ask if someone from the community wants to continue maintaining the XEP
  435. mathieui maybe have a way to temporarily delegate authorship when the author is unresponsive?
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  437. jonas’ we can already delegate authorship
  438. jonas’ if people cared enough that is
  439. mathieui true
  440. jonas’ more process isn’t going to help this :)
  441. flow not sure, it sure would be a good sign to the average contributor if someone else steps in after a author response timeout
  442. mathieui I was more thinking of "ask the person blocked by the unresponsiveness if they want to do the work required"
  443. flow instead of the current situation where PRs just lay dormant for months
  444. mathieui but yeah, adding more layers of process when the main issue is lack of manpower is not going to help much
  445. L29Ah moparisthebest: https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd do i get it right this is python2?
  446. flow i'd be happy to perdiocially screen old PRs and check them for author responses, so manpower shouldn't be an issue in this particular case
  447. moparisthebest L29Ah, yep
  448. flow but first, we have to agree on a process
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  450. jonas’ flow, PLEASE do then
  451. jonas’ we don’t need process for that
  452. jonas’ pinging authors we can do already
  453. jonas’ and if you find stale PRs which seem somehow useful, bring them to council
  454. flow I don't feel qualified and/or authorized to judge PRs usefullness, so I would probably simply label all PRs with where the author response is more than 8 weeks outstanding as "Needs Council"
  455. flow I could do that, but it feels wrong to assign some entity work prior asking that entity
  456. jonas’ good thing that I’m council chair :)
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  459. jonas’ by "useful", I mean anything which isn’t obviously obsolete / broken / incomplete (based e.g. on existing comments)
  460. jonas’ for instance, '988 is not for council
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  465. Zash Is storing contact vcards a thing anyone cares about anyway?
  466. jonas’ I don’t know
  467. Zash Roster notes was a thing, right?
  468. eevvoor I like vcards. They are a standard.
  469. jonas’ vcard-temp
  470. jonas’ runs
  471. eevvoor I try to sync them between diferent technologies.
  472. Zash yeets <UPPERCASE TAG NAMES> after jonas’
  473. L29Ah stores his phone contacts as vcard as everything understands it
  474. eevvoor vcard-tmp2 perhaps better?
  475. eevvoor :D
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  479. jl4 Sure... too much segmentation, sometimes...
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  501. eevvoor Yeay, I have voted :).
  502. Alex Memberbot is online now and happy to talk to you ;-)
  503. eevvoor I hit two records: I was the last to write the application and the first to vote.
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  516. qrpnxz i like vcards like I like my passwords, not on servers.
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  539. şişio How many users does XMPP have?
  540. jonas’ nobody knws
  541. jonas’ nobody knows
  542. şişio Approximately
  543. MattJ Nobody knows
  544. MattJ If you have suggestions on how we can find out, let us know :)
  545. şişio 😀😀
  546. jonas’ I have numbers, but they are certainly wrong and I can’t tell by which factor *or* in which direction, so they’re as good as SystemRandom().getrandint()
  547. şişio But it seems like a lot
  548. jonas’ I have numbers, but they are certainly wrong and I can’t tell by which factor *or* in which direction, so they’re as ~good~ bad as SystemRandom().getrandint()
  549. jonas’ (please don’t use those numbers to roll private keys)
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  551. MattJ There are some stats on Prosody servers here: https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospective/ (but that doesn't include other implementations [Prosody is roughly around 50% of the known public network]), and it doesn't tell us how many users are on any of these servers
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  553. şişio 85k server...
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  556. Menel > And this only counts instances using port 5269 and accessible to the internet.
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  562. qrpnxz şişio, about a gajillion
  563. Zash Also depends on what you count as "XMPP"
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  566. qrpnxz from XSF https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html
  567. qrpnxz ^ some numbers
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  582. L29Ah ganjillion
  583. L29Ah personally i count all IRC networks accessible through biboumi as XMPP
  584. L29Ah (at least this method works for Matrix)
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  587. eevvoor then there exists no IRC for me.
  588. eevvoor Everything in IRC I need is accessible via biboumi.
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  593. Zash What about everything reachable through the Matrix-XMPP bridge?
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  616. moparisthebest Matrix would count that
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  619. Zash Multiple times too!
  620. moparisthebest In theory XMPP can be bridged to talk to everyone so what's the population of the earth?
  621. Zash jmp.chat you say?
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  637. ben smtp.cheogram.com also
  638. şişio > from XSF https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html > ^ some numbers İs this really right?
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  646. şişio https://xmpp.org/uses/webrtc.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/internet-of-things.html https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html
  647. şişio Woww, ı think these are right
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