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şişio
Yes
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eevvoor
Voting has not started yet? The bot does not answer me ...
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emus
No, I dont think so
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emus
Alex:
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Alex
not started yet. Was a long holiday weekend here in Germany. Will start the bot today after catching up with some work and requests 😀
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emus
👍
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eevvoor
XD
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şişio
no voice and video calls on the computer
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şişio
windows
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şişio
right?
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Zash
That would depend on the client.
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şişio
which client has got video call in the windows
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jonas’
dino might
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şişio
windows?
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Zash
All I know is that in the past (~10 years ago) it was difficult to get the relevant media libraries running on Windows, so the functionality was mostly limited to Linux, at least among open source clients.
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Zash
Dino did get voice & video call support recently, not sure if it works in the unofficial windows builds. There's a chat for that somewhere you could ask.
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şişio
Zash So there is no video calls in Win
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Zash
I did not say that.
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Zash
I do not use windows, so I don't know.
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şişio
ok.
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mdosch
şişio: xmpp:dino-win@chat.diebesban.de?join
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şişio
Thanks > şişio: xmpp:dino-win@chat.diebesban.de?join
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jl4
Heya xmmp istas, nice to be here
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Zash
Hiya
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jl4
Here conversation is about standards, right ? ☺
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moparisthebest
yep, specifically XMPP standards :)
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Zash
and a touch of XSF organizational meta
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jl4
Okeey , crystal clear
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jl4
I got to the xmpp beast heart's ? 😅
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jl4
A pleasure... eager to learn from
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jl4
Umh... xmpp:jdev@muc.xmpp.org seems to be idle kind of... right ?
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moparisthebest
sometimes yes, sometimes no, be the change you want to see :)
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Zash
For 4 hours?
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qrpnxz
stuff that could go on jdev i tend to put here instead, or maybe in the operators chat, they are closely related
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jl4
> sometimes yes, sometimes no, be the change you want to see :) Inspiring quote, moparisthebest
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moparisthebest
the line between "standards" and "code" is very fine, or sometimes doesn't exist
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jl4
Ah, qrpnxz
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jonas’
Kev, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1047 can you give this another review please?
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jonas’
flow, https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1059 wanna officially unblock this by giving another review?
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flow
jonas’, done
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jonas’
flow, thanks!
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Zash
https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/848 😑️
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Zash
is https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/988 ready?
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flow
I'd love to see a author response deadline, something like 6-10 weeks. Such timeouts incentivize author responses in my experience from other projects
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jonas’
Zash, no, 988 still needs that thing fixed I mentioned in the comments
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jonas’
flow, no, they only piss authors off
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jonas’
when I see a project autoclosing issues, I go away.
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flow
I am not talking about autoclosing issues
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jonas’
what’s the difference?
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flow
(I think those are harmfull myself)
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flow
the difference is that you don't close the issue
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jonas’
what do you do then?
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mathieui
jonas’, more like "delegate to council after X weeks of the author not taking the time to answer, except if they request an extension)" I guess
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jonas’
mathieui, ah well, at least half of the linked ones need work done, not a decision.
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flow
that's a good question. first, it is obvious that the XEP authors are not able to support it in a reasonable fashion at the moment
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flow
which is bad, as it stalls further development
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jonas’
'848 we can bring to council easily
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flow
and makes contributors sad, as their work has no way to progress forward
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moparisthebest
insta-merge if no objection in X weeks :P
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jonas’
then council will have something to vote on for a change
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flow
so I think there a multiple options how to proceed from there, which do not necessarily have to be exclusive
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flow
one is to defer to council for a decission
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flow
another one is to ask if someone from the community wants to continue maintaining the XEP
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mathieui
maybe have a way to temporarily delegate authorship when the author is unresponsive?
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jonas’
we can already delegate authorship
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jonas’
if people cared enough that is
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mathieui
true
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jonas’
more process isn’t going to help this :)
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flow
not sure, it sure would be a good sign to the average contributor if someone else steps in after a author response timeout
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mathieui
I was more thinking of "ask the person blocked by the unresponsiveness if they want to do the work required"
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flow
instead of the current situation where PRs just lay dormant for months
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mathieui
but yeah, adding more layers of process when the main issue is lack of manpower is not going to help much
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L29Ah
moparisthebest: https://github.com/moparisthebest/xmpp-ircd do i get it right this is python2?
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flow
i'd be happy to perdiocially screen old PRs and check them for author responses, so manpower shouldn't be an issue in this particular case
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moparisthebest
L29Ah, yep
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flow
but first, we have to agree on a process
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jonas’
flow, PLEASE do then
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jonas’
we don’t need process for that
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jonas’
pinging authors we can do already
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jonas’
and if you find stale PRs which seem somehow useful, bring them to council
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flow
I don't feel qualified and/or authorized to judge PRs usefullness, so I would probably simply label all PRs with where the author response is more than 8 weeks outstanding as "Needs Council"
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flow
I could do that, but it feels wrong to assign some entity work prior asking that entity
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jonas’
good thing that I’m council chair :)
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jonas’
by "useful", I mean anything which isn’t obviously obsolete / broken / incomplete (based e.g. on existing comments)
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jonas’
for instance, '988 is not for council
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Zash
Is storing contact vcards a thing anyone cares about anyway?
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jonas’
I don’t know
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Zash
Roster notes was a thing, right?
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eevvoor
I like vcards. They are a standard.
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jonas’
vcard-temp
- jonas’ runs
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eevvoor
I try to sync them between diferent technologies.
- Zash yeets <UPPERCASE TAG NAMES> after jonas’
- L29Ah stores his phone contacts as vcard as everything understands it
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eevvoor
vcard-tmp2 perhaps better?
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eevvoor
:D
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jl4
Sure... too much segmentation, sometimes...
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eevvoor
Yeay, I have voted :).
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Alex
Memberbot is online now and happy to talk to you ;-)
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eevvoor
I hit two records: I was the last to write the application and the first to vote.
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qrpnxz
i like vcards like I like my passwords, not on servers.
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şişio
How many users does XMPP have?
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jonas’
nobody knws✎ -
jonas’
nobody knows ✏
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şişio
Approximately
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MattJ
Nobody knows
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MattJ
If you have suggestions on how we can find out, let us know :)
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şişio
😀😀
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jonas’
I have numbers, but they are certainly wrong and I can’t tell by which factor *or* in which direction, so they’re as good as SystemRandom().getrandint()✎ -
şişio
But it seems like a lot
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jonas’
I have numbers, but they are certainly wrong and I can’t tell by which factor *or* in which direction, so they’re as ~good~ bad as SystemRandom().getrandint() ✏
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jonas’
(please don’t use those numbers to roll private keys)
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MattJ
There are some stats on Prosody servers here: https://blog.prosody.im/2020-retrospective/ (but that doesn't include other implementations [Prosody is roughly around 50% of the known public network]), and it doesn't tell us how many users are on any of these servers
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şişio
85k server...
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Menel
> And this only counts instances using port 5269 and accessible to the internet.
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qrpnxz
şişio, about a gajillion
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Zash
Also depends on what you count as "XMPP"
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qrpnxz
from XSF https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html
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qrpnxz
^ some numbers
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L29Ah
ganjillion
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L29Ah
personally i count all IRC networks accessible through biboumi as XMPP
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L29Ah
(at least this method works for Matrix)
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eevvoor
then there exists no IRC for me.
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eevvoor
Everything in IRC I need is accessible via biboumi.
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Zash
What about everything reachable through the Matrix-XMPP bridge?
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moparisthebest
Matrix would count that
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Zash
Multiple times too!
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moparisthebest
In theory XMPP can be bridged to talk to everyone so what's the population of the earth?
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Zash
jmp.chat you say?
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ben
smtp.cheogram.com also
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şişio
> from XSF https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html > ^ some numbers İs this really right?
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şişio
https://xmpp.org/uses/webrtc.html https://xmpp.org/uses/social.html https://xmpp.org/uses/internet-of-things.html https://xmpp.org/uses/gaming.html
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şişio
Woww, ı think these are right