XSF Discussion - 2021-05-26


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  370. lovetox xmpp needs that muc remove message thingy, i dont know why i felt that not earlier, but spammers are annoying, especially if the post links
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  373. Zash XEP-0425?
  374. mathieui lovetox, we have it though?
  375. Zash https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html https://modules.prosody.im/mod_muc_moderation.html
  376. mathieui (prosody has a module which supports this, and it works, not sure about the other servers, I would guess MIX implementations also have some form of this)
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  378. Zash Client implementation in Converse.js
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  380. Zash Did Siskin do 425 and/or 424?
  381. Andrzej Siskin has support for 424
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  383. Zash Andrzej: Any plans for 425? Read-only should be easy and similar to 424.
  384. Andrzej there were not plans, but that could be added as it is quite similar
  385. Andrzej there were no plans, but that could be added as it is quite similar
  386. Zash I forget the exact reasoning why 425 retractions don't look like 424, but it is subtly different so I stopped worrying about it.
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  477. Menel Would be nice if last-message-correction (308) --> correct it to whitespace or something would result in behavior of 424. Isn't 424 just a special case of "last message correction" for the enduser?
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  479. Zash No, different semantics
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  481. Menel Jeah, its technally different. I just meant for the enduser.. Now only few clients use 424 and in androids conversations we still see the full message and a text that the user tried to retract it. Instead of a correction to whitespace. The xep feels redundant.
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  501. şişio Someone says XMPP is safe but Matrix is more safe and convenient. How do you think?
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  503. şişio I will create server
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  505. L29Ah i don't think webshit is safe
  506. ben matrix is not good
  507. L29Ah and matrix sure is inconvenient, it doesn't even support channel history // https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-bifrost/issues/64
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  511. MattJ What do "safe" and "convenient" even mean exactly? Safe from what? Convenient for who?
  512. şişio > matrix is not good Why?
  513. şişio > What do "safe" and "convenient" even mean exactly? Safe from what? Convenient for who? Matrix said it was better because it was new Lance R vick
  514. MattJ Matrix and XMPP are two different protocols
  515. şişio > What do "safe" and "convenient" even mean exactly? Safe from what? Convenient for who? R vick said it was better because it was new
  516. şişio > What do "safe" and "convenient" even mean exactly? Safe from what? Convenient for who? Lance R vick said it was better because it was new
  517. MattJ Well if you think new things are better than old things, your question is answered :)
  518. şişio What do you mean? 😀
  519. şişio Is every new thing better?
  520. MattJ Me? I don't think so, no
  521. MattJ Do you?
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  523. şişio No😀
  524. Menel I think both are save, xmpp is more tested. The rest is use case.. Server storage
  525. MattJ Then I think you can overlook any suggestions that Matrix is better simply because it's newer. Then maybe we can get past the whole "XMPP vs Matrix" thing
  526. şişio > Then I think you can overlook any suggestions that Matrix is better simply because it's newer. Then maybe we can get past the whole "XMPP vs Matrix" thing maybe
  527. şişio But (frankly) I liked the XMPP better
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  532. MattJ Then why do you need someone else to tell you which is "better"? :)
  533. MattJ Different people have different requirements and preferences, and XMPP and Matrix are simply solving very similar goals in different ways
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  544. lovetox https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html#tombstones
  545. lovetox is the namespace on the <moderated> missing here?
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  547. Zash It would appear so
  548. lovetox i hope prosody includes it :)
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  557. şişio > Then why do you need someone else to tell you which is "better"? :) 😀😀🤐
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  615. şişio Code is missing? > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html#tombstones > is the namespace on the <moderated> missing here?
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  622. Zash Small mistake in an example, easy to fix
  623. şişio > Small mistake in an example, easy to fix 👊
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  625. şişio No problem
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  740. şişio XMPP not working multi device
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  742. Zash How so?
  743. şişio How about you?
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  745. Zash It works for me.
  746. Zash It has been working since 2006.
  747. Menel şişio: maybe don't write xmpp, but your client and server. Because that's what's not working, not xmpp. And maybe write in the chat of your app you use. You can find that room here: https://search.jabber.network/rooms/1
  748. şişio > It works for me. > It has been working since 2006. I guess client is not support multi device. Ok.
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  754. Zash Take it up with the relevant client / server developers, operators.
  755. eevvoor şişio‎ your client does support multidevice, also your server.
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  770. qrpnxz what do you even mean by multi device? Carbons?
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  802. emus qrpnxz: you have a two phones and a laptop. one account connected to all devives (multi devices) but only the device you active use will notify you on new messages (still the others devices get the messages too)
  803. emus ahh, sorry I think your question was a different one
  804. qrpnxz i dont think theres a xep for only one client getting notif. Would be nice tho
  805. şişio All accounts are active but the message goes through a session
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  811. şişio Multi device works on only unencrypted room
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  834. eevvoor no, encrypted too
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  836. eevvoor şişio‎
  837. eevvoor but encrypted rooms do not work perfect, they are sometimes buggy. 1:1 is less error-prone
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  871. tutenote I wonder why Matrix is reinventing the wheel
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  880. şişio > I wonder why Matrix is reinventing the wheel True :)
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  893. tutenote I wonder why is Matrix reinventing the wheel
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  903. werw0lf tutenote: their servers are heavier on resources
  904. werw0lf It seems like it's made by and for enterprises in mind
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  906. eevvoor werw0lf, ehm, what do you mean by heavier?
  907. werw0lf Their required more resources to selfhost, I did my tests and RAM and CPU consumption when selfhosting matrix was way higher than when selfhosting an XMPP server
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  910. werw0lf They require more resources to selfhost, I did my tests and RAM and CPU consumption when selfhosting matrix was way higher than when selfhosting an XMPP server
  911. werw0lf They require more resources to selfhost, I did my tests and RAM and CPU consumption when selfhosting matrix was way higher than when selfhosting a XMPP server
  912. eevvoor ah but that is more about scalability.
  913. eevvoor It is a feature if you can host both on raspberry pi and also scale up to high demands on a decent server.
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  915. eevvoor Sounds like Matrix is less scalable to the tiny direction ;-).
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  919. moparisthebest eevvoor: also to the bigger direction though :)
  920. moparisthebest See matrix.org constantly buckling under load
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  923. moparisthebest It's almost like a database protocol isn't suitable for instant messaging or something, who'd have thought
  924. eevvoor I did not want to sound too negative, but yeah, I know.
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  927. eevvoor Scalabilty by design is nice. Putting it after the design of the main architecture always brings pain.
  928. eevvoor moparisthebest, oh yeah, what a surprise :D
  929. Zash moparisthebest: that's why we're turning XMPP into a database replication protocol! with MAM etc.
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  931. moparisthebest Matrix fans seem to think faster code will save them, I'm skeptical
  932. werw0lf Well if you want individuals to selfhost it and make a truly decentralized protocol is important to make it as light as possible so anyone can have access to it
  933. Zash Matrix fans seem to think that replicating all data everywhere all the time will save them.
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  936. werw0lf Matrix is almost centralized at this point. If you join a public matrix room you'll find that 80% of the users are on matrix.org
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  938. Zash The fact that that you, or anyone, can easily see that is a bit scary too.
  939. eevvoor yes that is a common critical point about matrix, this pseudo decentrelization
  940. Zash Here, you can't tell how many servers are involved unless you're an admin.
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  966. moparisthebest That's not how you get the sweet sweet VC money though
  967. moparisthebest How many users do you have? Hmm impossible to say. How many can you lock in? None. *Click*
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  991. tutenote Why do people chose matrix.org when there is librem for example?
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