XSF Discussion - 2021-05-28

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  52. moparisthebest https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/05/27/quic-is-rfc-9000/
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  181. ralphm 🎉
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  269. şişio > worst that could happen is that something™ happens to the trademark and a bunch of stuff needs to change names Is a name change possible at this time? Since it hasn't changed in years, I think it's okay.
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  272. Menel Everything is possible, but you should not worry. There is really no issue
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  276. şişio > Everything is possible, but you should not worry. There is really no issue 👍😀
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  396. şişio The discovery gives a warning what is it. Warning says ip is open.
  397. şişio What is this
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  402. şişio İs this issue? But ı am use tor. What if I don't use it?
  403. Zash I have no idea what this is about.
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  405. şişio https://upload.blabber.im/aeaf42304718864e/f69f5c83c2cfc4ec.jpg
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  412. mdosch I can't speak Turkish but that's probably only the warning that a third party search.jabber.network is used for the groupchat search.
  413. Zash So the same way as if you go to https://search.jabber.network/ in a web browser, the server sees your IP. Just like with any web site.
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  416. şişio > I can't speak Turkish but that's probably only the warning that a third party search.jabber.network is used for the groupchat search. Yes, true.
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  419. şişio > So the same way as if you go to https://search.jabber.network/ in a web browser, the server sees your IP. Just like with any web site. İf ı don't use Tor, the ip is open
  420. şişio Am ı right?
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  422. şişio Even if I have my own server
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  445. şişio I'm just thinking about if there's a problem.
  446. Zash Not really
  447. şişio How?
  448. Zash It's just a notice for your awareness.
  449. şişio I have to use Tor
  450. şişio Because ip will be on
  451. mathieui şişio, if your system is configured to use tor properly, conversations will not actively bypass that configuration
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  453. şişio If I don't use tor, isn't ip on?
  454. mathieui if you don’t use tor and search for a muc, yes, search.jabber.network will see your IP
  455. mathieui but it is not supposed to be a problem
  456. mathieui either don’t search for rooms or trust the operator of the website
  457. Sam just like every webpage you visit and every app you use that communicates with a server. Unless you also use Tor for everything else, there is no point to just using it here
  458. Sam This is why I sometimes think those sorts of warnings do more harm than good. Most people don't know enough to actually figure out if there is a threat and it will just scare them into doing things they don't understand that don't help. Mention the site being used and provide a link to their privacy policy, but that's about it IMO
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  466. jonas’ I’m not going to sell your data, promise :)
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  471. şişio I use Tor, on phone
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  473. qrpnxz i don't even get what this warning is of
  474. şişio İp open if you search for a room
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  477. jonas’ that I get to see the IP of people and what they search for when using s.j.n
  478. şişio > just like every webpage you visit and every app you use that communicates with a server. Unless you also use Tor for everything else, there is no point to just using it here I use Tor for everything
  479. Sam There's probably no point to that too, but if ypu already use it for everything then this is no different from any other app and you can do whatever you normally do and ignore the warnings.
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  482. şişio > There's probably no point to that too, but if ypu already use it for everything then this is no different from any other app and you can do whatever you normally do and ignore the warnings. But if I don't use ip on
  483. şişio Or not use room search
  484. mathieui "use ip on" does not translate nicely to english, and I at least don’t really understand what you mean by it
  485. şişio They see İP
  486. şişio My english is bad
  487. şişio Sorry
  488. mathieui no problem, I’m just asking to clarify
  489. mathieui yes, if you do not use Tor, jonas’ will see your IP when you use their service
  490. mathieui just like any other website/API
  491. mathieui since it is a service external to the jabber server (but you could provide your own as well), your client shows a privacy warning to let you choose if you want to use it or not
  492. şişio Solution: do not use or use with TOR
  493. Sam I'm really not sure what you're asking
  494. şişio We can also use it from the site
  495. Sam If you already use Tor for everything, why wouldn't you use it for this too?
  496. jonas’ believeme, I have better things to do than looking at search queries of s.j.n
  497. Sam If you don't already use Tor for everything, shy would this be special?
  498. şişio > believeme, I have better things to do than looking at search queries of s.j.n 😀😀
  499. Sam Just do what you normally do.
  500. şişio Ok
  501. şişio > We can also use it from the site This is 3. solution
  502. jonas’ what do you mean by "from the site"?
  503. Sam using the site is exactly the same as using it from the app
  504. jonas’ well not exactly. the app uses POST, the site uses GET.
  505. Sam exactly the same in the context of this discussion :(
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  507. Sam :), evem
  508. jonas’ it is in fact not, because GET data is logged while POST data is not
  509. Sam even. I hate phones.
  510. Sam From the users perspective they can't guarantee that
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  512. jonas’ that’s certainly true
  513. şişio > using the site is exactly the same as using it from the app No. I use TOR when using from the site
  514. jonas’ şişio, don’t you also use tor with conversations or whatnot?
  515. şişio > şişio, don’t you also use tor with conversations or whatnot? I use Tor
  516. Sam Then use Tor from the app too and it's the same. I guess I still don't get what your concern is.
  517. şişio Tor is harder to use
  518. şişio And if I open a server, I have to use it.
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  520. homebeach Has there been any project making XMPP to work with Freenet?
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  524. şişio > Tor is harder to use > And if I open a server, I have to use it. Compelled
  525. şişio But no problem
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  534. şişio Solution: 1. Use TOR, 2.Use TOR with site, 3. Not use explore
  535. şişio Right?
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  541. şişio So, Jason, does he see my name or something?
  542. Zash No
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  545. şişio Thanks for your help
  546. moparisthebest homebeach: what's freenet
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  549. homebeach freent.org
  550. homebeach freenet.org
  551. homebeach https://www.google.fi/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://freenetproject.org/&ved=2ahUKEwir0fK_wuzwAhVHmYsKHSfXBQIQFjAAegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw0rpFN5jylXMkkPsmfnZJPe
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  558. moparisthebest No idea, looks like they support email so in theory could support XMPP too, but also looks like a plugin and all the screenshots are from Windows XP http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
  559. Sam Someone advocating freenet, but also using Google Fi and sending one of their redirects… 🤔
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  561. Sam A day or two ago there was a brief discussion about XEPs that needed to be deprecated, rewritten, or otherwise needed work. What would people say to an Office Hours that was a working session where everybody brings their list of XEPs they think need to go away or be rewritten and we go through them and try to come to consensus on recommendations / maybe volunteer to walk them through whatever process we all decide they need?
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  565. Sam Sort of an informal "Modernization Working Group" / round table.
  566. Sam The end goal would be a document where we write up what we think needs to happen to each one that we can hand to council for them to do with what they will. It would include the reasoning and any dissents (and their reasoning)
  567. Zash Definitely worth a try at least 🙂
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  571. Sam No idea if/how this will work, but I put it on the schedule. Should be a fun session to gripe about things if nothing else
  572. Sam dwd: reminder that you should still do a session on the thing you promised :)
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  576. Zash Loosely related idea: Take the entire list of XEPs and have a bot post a poll a day to mastodon or something.
  577. Zash Fun for over a year!
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  579. Sam Oooh, that's a fun one
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  581. Sam In case anyone wants to suggest XEPs (please set a name before you edit if possible): https://pad.disroot.org/p/XSF_Modernization_Working_Group_Recommendations
  582. Zash Hm, there's quite a number of Deferred that haven't been touched in over a decade...
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  584. Sam Those seem like good ones to auto-add to the list.
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  587. Sam I'll send this out as an email to try and drum up interest / expand this list in advance too
  588. qrpnxz i think i saw a couple of deferred that were actually used but i don't recall
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  592. Sam Email sent. I'm tentatively excited about this idea given how the "Towards XMPP 2.0" discussion went well.
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  613. şişio Is the discovery in the app the same as the non-application?
  614. şişio > Is the discovery in the app the same as the non-application? I think same
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  618. Sam Yes, it's the same
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  620. şişio 👍
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