XSF Discussion - 2021-06-05

emus: xmpp:jabber@conference.jabber.org?join

thx!

Ok well... but I see this is related to the jabber.org service right?

These days, mostly

But it was planned to be a general one?

That's what it always was

and there was jdev@conference.jabber.org for developers

Well the title is a bit of missleading

We moved jdev to muc.xmpp.org in the past couple of years

so its jdev@muc.xmpp.org

Yes

ok

I'm not saying, if we want a user support room, that it has to be jabber@conference.jabber.org... I was just saying that has historically been it (but it is far less active these days than it used to be)

I would be fine with that, but I think the title and muc description should be changed accordingly

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Yupppi

Nice!

Thanks

XMPP <3

Many thanks to wurstsalat for writing up the XEP section more almost 1.5 years already

time flies!

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> emus wrote: > Many thanks to wurstsalat for writing up the XEP section more almost 1.5 years already Thanks wurstsalat

Hey there, I need some specs clarification. XEP-0060 `max-items` as defined at https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0060.html#subscriber-retrieve-requestrecent returns N most recents items. It we use RSM `max` limit (as defined at https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html#limit) should we get the N more recent or N oldest items? ejabberd is returning N oldest items, so the result with `max-items` is not the same as with RSM `max` limit, and I've so far assumed it would be the same, but now I think ejabberd is right (`max-items` specify the order explicitly to have N most recent items, RSM doesn't). Can somebody clarify this for me?

goffi, looks like max_items is specified in XEP-0060 to return the N most recent, and <max> is about limiting the results starting from the oldest, so I think your (and ejabberd's) interpretation is correct

unless you combine both

If you combine both, max_items='X' would limit you to X most recent items, and RSM <max>Y</max> would return the first Y of those

would be weird to combine both :)

Thank for feedback. I have a bug to fix then :)

not sure if it would be that werid to combine both

Yeah, I was just about to type that

If there are 5000 items, and you want to fetch the last 1000, you obviously don't want all of those in the same stanza

if I am not mistaken, RSM's max is just the page size, right?

So you would set max_items=1000 and page through them with RSM

if so, then a better name for that thing would probably be page-size ;)

flow: MattJ: you could do that with just RSM, why using both?

just loop with a page size of say 50 from the end until you have 1000 items.

True

it seems that there is a bug in ejabberd after all, if I use empty `<before/>` to get last page, index is 0 on 167 when it should be 167 - <number of items in this page>.

Are there any literature / research / publication collections on XMPP?

https://www.semanticscholar.org/search?q=xmpp many?

Thanks, but I don't mean a search, rather like thinks we recommend if one really wants to start over in that direction. Well, listing that is also fine in general

why do I get to know this webiste after my studies -.-

one of the better search engine for papers, if you ask me :)

cool I just see that Google Scholar provides the XEP sites as results if you search for xmpp etc

Does the editor team need support on labeling all the issues? https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues I can offer to do so

https://jabbers.one:5281/upload/BxQTzJBk0HzMfJO2/9a3ca50f-c9a2-43b8-98fd-e75c8ad421b8.png

Specifications - one of the main work we do, is placed at the websites end/bottom? 😕

Well, it is under about XMPP but I think it should place as it own section in the top, what do you think?

Maybe it would be also better to label it directly XMPP Extension Protocol