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  236. Ge0rG Can we have XEP-0157, but for bots?
  237. jonas’ Ge0rG, what stops a bot from using '157?
  238. Ge0rG jonas’: on the bare JID?
  239. jonas’ full JID
  240. Ge0rG That requires the bot to be online
  241. jonas’ that’s true
  242. jonas’ (same for servers publishing '157 though)
  243. Ge0rG Also you need to have presence with the bot, which might or might not work
  244. jonas’ or you observe a message from the bot, that would come from the full jid
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  249. Ge0rG Yes, but there also happen to be bots that send a flood of messages, disconnect, and come back later with a different random resource
  250. jonas’ right
  251. jonas’ so you actually want '157 on the account. how about a vcard? :)
  252. jonas’ bonus: vcard is likely to pass through MUC
  253. Zash Wasn't there a field you could put 'software' in for vcard4
  254. Ge0rG I don't want the software, I want to know whom to write that their bot is blocked for a year now.
  255. jonas’ could put something like: <email> <parameters><type><text>work</text></type></parameters> <text>psaintan@cisco.com</text> </email> in the vcard (stolen from '292)
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  257. Ge0rG That psaintan is everywhere!
  258. flow Ge0rG, specify a way how an entity can publish/set xep157 information on their bare jid?
  259. Zash I think you can refer to your "boss" too
  260. Ge0rG flow: that sounds like it would be better in PEP, or even vCard
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  262. jonas’ how about vCard in PEP? :-O
  263. Ge0rG But no bot does it anyway.
  264. Zash It would actually ve interesting to have a bot account type
  265. flow we do have an disco indentity 'bot'
  266. Ge0rG Zash: a server could automatically set that when doing disco
  267. Zash Mmmm
  268. Ge0rG But what if you have multiple clients connected, and only one is a bot? Do we need a botness gradient?
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  270. jonas’ Ge0rG, the identity is part of the resource’ disco#info response
  271. Ge0rG jonas’: yes, I suggested to use that to automatically set the account bot flag
  272. Zash Saving devi disco#info in the account feels like something that's been mentioned before
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  274. Ge0rG A device registry? I've noticed that during server shutdown, very much time is spent deleting the non existent firewall flags from all connected accounts. We really need to do something about disk IO
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