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  465. Seve https://mtpsym.github.io/ – Security Analysis of Telegram (Symmetric Part)
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  468. christian Seve: that's nothing new. People join telegram for two reasons 1) cheap space 2) they don't delete your stuff if its is relative OK.
  469. christian Nobody goes there for security.
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  475. ralphm Citation needed. Also it depends on the threat model. If you just want to get away from Facebook or the FSB, maybe Telegram is a reasonable choice.
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  484. chronosx88 > Seve: that's nothing new. People join telegram for two reasons 1) cheap space 2) they don't delete your stuff if its is relative OK. 3) UI/UX - there is very comfortable ui as for messenger
  485. chronosx88 > Citation needed. Also it depends on the threat model. If you just want to get away from Facebook or the FSB, maybe Telegram is a reasonable choice. haha, there are rumors that Telegram works with FSB
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  490. emus And Telegram provided data in the Honhkong demonstrations
  491. emus And Telegram provided data in the Hongkong demonstrations
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  506. christian > 3) UI/UX - there is very comfortable ui as for messenger Agree. I wish more people help Daniel to make conversations more sexy. This will bring more people to xmpp.
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  663. Sam Here's the pad with potential policies if any board member wants to weigh in on it: https://pad.disroot.org/p/XSF_Fiscal_Host_Rules
  664. Sam The stuff that's here now were just my thoughts about where we could start.
  665. Sam If you get time arc, we can collaborate on that pad to figure out what we want to rubber stamp and I can update the PR with whatever we come up with.
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  875. Paganini > https://mtpsym.github.io/ – Security Analysis of Telegram (Symmetric Part) Can we be sure that XMPP protocol and its encryption method (OMEMO) doesn't have the same kind of weaknesses or vulnerabilities?
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  887. MattJ If you read the link you'll see that it discusses Telegram's transport encryption
  888. MattJ They created their own alternative to TLS, which everyone else (including XMPP) uses
  889. Zash Didn't Signal also invent their own transport encryption, Noise?
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  895. Ellenor Malik Zash: yes, which is used in Wireguard
  896. Zash WhatsApp used to have that insecure RC4 thing...
  897. Paganini > If you read the link you'll see that it discusses Telegram's transport encryption You are right. But can we be sure that TLS and OMEMO are more secure than Telegram's encryption?
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  899. Zash TLS has evidently had a lot of problems in the past, but it also has a lot of cryptographers looking at it.
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  901. Zash Paganini, no we can't be sure. Only time will tell. And time usually tells us that all crypto is broken eventually.
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  903. robertooo Signal doesn't use TLS and uses Noise instead?
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  909. chronosx88 Noise over TLS 😀
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  912. robertooo Seriously? That would be quite ridiculous.
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  916. Zash Not as ridiculous as OMEMO over TLS over Noise over WireGuard over IPSec ... over HTTP
  917. chronosx88 ...over TCP
  918. Zash No no, over XMPP https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0332.html
  919. chronosx88 oh god
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  1094. southerntofu hello i see blabber.im in https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html maybe it should be removed now?
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