XSF Discussion - 2021-07-18


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  361. southerntofu emus, hi where is a good place to discuss omemo.top project? :)
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  365. emus southerntofu: in the issue repository I eould say
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  367. southerntofu thanks https://github.com/bascht/omemo-top/issues/ for reference
  368. emus I know
  369. southerntofu (in case others wer ewondering)
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  372. wuuko https://github.com/omemo İs this omemo codes?
  373. Daniel It's one code
  374. wuuko Where's all there?
  375. Daniel There is no central repository
  376. wuuko Where's the piece by piece? I'm asking because I don't know.
  377. southerntofu wuuko, there's man OMEMO implementations in many languages/libraries
  378. wuuko What do you mean? Can't we find the codes piece by piece?
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  380. southerntofu wuuko, yes in dozens of different repositories, eg. slixmpp, smack, etc..
  381. southerntofu many clients have their own code/implementation
  382. southerntofu you can see it from https://omemo.top/
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  402. wuuko > southerntofu wrote: > wuuko, yes in dozens of different repositories, eg. slixmpp, smack, etc.. > many clients have their own code/implementation > you can see it from https://omemo.top/ I didn't see the codes.
  403. Zash Source code? Or what are you looking for, exactly?
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  407. Zash I'm guessing https://github.com/signalapp?q=libsignal-protocol is some of the available implementations of the low-level crypto stuff.
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  423. wuuko > southerntofu wrote: > wuuko, yes in dozens of different repositories, eg. slixmpp, smack, etc.. > many clients have their own code/implementation > you can see it from https://omemo.top/ I didn't see the codes.
  424. wuuko > Zash wrote: > Source code? Or what are you looking for, exactly? Yes, omemo source code.
  425. MattJ OMEMO is a protocol, not software
  426. wuuko > MattJ wrote: > OMEMO is a protocol, not software Can't you get source code?
  427. MattJ I think you may be the same person who previously asked to see the source code for XMPP... the answer is the same for OMEMO :)
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  430. wuuko > MattJ wrote: > I think you may be the same person who previously asked to see the source code for XMPP... the answer is the same for OMEMO :) how? Omemo doesn't have the source code, right?
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  432. wuuko Can't it be source code?
  433. wuuko > MattJ wrote: > I think you may be the same person who previously asked to see the source code for XMPP... the answer is the same for OMEMO :) Yes ı am same man. I know the XMPP source code
  434. wuuko But omemo not
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  437. Daniel wuuko: what are you trying to do? What's your goal
  438. wuuko > Daniel wrote: > wuuko: what are you trying to do? What's your goal I'm curious about the Omemo codes.
  439. Daniel Yes but what for. What are you trying to do
  440. Zash Here's the specification, if you just wanna read it: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html
  441. wuuko > Daniel wrote: > Yes but what for. What are you trying to do Aren't the codes public? It's just curiosity.
  442. Zash I'm extremely uncertain whether "codes" is the word you use for programming code or if this also includes the specifications.
  443. wuuko > Zash wrote: > I'm extremely uncertain whether "codes" is the word you use for programming code or if this also includes the specifications. Programming CODE
  444. Zash Linked to the libsignal stuff above.
  445. Daniel wuuko: https://github.com/Syndace/python-omemo
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  447. wuuko https://github.com/Syndace/python-omemo https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html Both of same?
  448. Daniel The first is source code. The second is a specification
  449. Zash Not all that familiar with all the codebases, but https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/tree/master/src/main/java/eu/siacs/conversations/crypto https://github.com/dino/dino/tree/master/plugins/omemo might be relevant.
  450. wuuko > Daniel wrote: > The first is source code. The second is a specification Specification?
  451. Daniel https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/specification?q=Specification
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  453. wuuko Open source from what I've seen
  454. wuuko That's important
  455. Zash Specifications describe what the programming codes are supposed to say to each other, so that everyone understand each other.
  456. wuuko Now this is omemo source code https://github.com/Syndace/python-omemo This is info https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html
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  458. wuuko Right? I think I'm going to be opening a server soon, so I'm asking.
  459. Daniel Yes
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  468. wuuko Can it change if it needs to change?
  469. wuuko Can it change if it needs to change?
  470. Daniel Yes
  471. wuuko Thanks
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  515. wuuko How do I know the omemo on my phone is the same emomo in the code?
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  518. Daniel By learning how to compile software and doing it yourself
  519. Zash Then by learning to build a compiler and building one yourself
  520. Zash And then build your own computer
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  524. wuuko Is that the way it is in every messenger?
  525. Zash https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/358198.358210
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  528. wuuko > I wrote: > Is that the way it is in every messenger? I guess that's the way it is with every messenger.
  529. Zash Every messenger, every piece of software.
  530. Zash How do you know that anything is the way you think it is?
  531. wuuko > Zash wrote: > Every messenger, every piece of software. > How do you know that anything is the way you think it is? I dont know. :/
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  536. Sam This conversation is your periodic reminder that everyone should read "Reflections on Trusting Trust": https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rdriley/487/papers/Thompson_1984_ReflectionsonTrustingTrust.pdf
  537. Zash (that I just linked to 5 lines up)
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  542. Sam hah, oops, ENOCTX
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  549. me9 What in the world is enoctx?
  550. Zash "No context" in the spirit of unix error codes (e.g see https://manpages.debian.org/buster/manpages-dev/errno.3.en.html#List_of_error_names )
  551. Zash POSIX even?
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  555. me9 Ah ok.
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  794. wuuko I guess xmpp android client not uses Python omemo, where is the Android Python codes?
  795. wuuko > I wrote: > I guess xmpp android client not uses Python omemo, where is the Android Python codes?
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  800. wuuko I guess Android xmpp clients not uses Python omemo. What is the omemo used by Android clients
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  829. Sam Conversations has its own. I assume other things use Smack or babbler or whatever it was called
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  849. wuuko Doesn't everyone use omemo?
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  853. Sam I mean that they have their own implementations, not that they have their own encryption.
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  855. Sam However, not everyo.e uses omemo either.
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  858. wuuko > Sam wrote: > I mean that they have their own implementations, not that they have their own encryption. > However, not everyo.e uses omemo either. And do you know where the omemo codes are on the phone?
  859. Sam For what client?
  860. wuuko For example blabber
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  869. Sam Blabber is a fork of Conversations, so I assume it's the same as this https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/tree/master/src/main/java/eu/siacs/conversations/crypto/axolotl
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  874. wuuko İs axolotl same omemo?
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  879. wuuko I was looking for "omemo", it didn't come out.
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  887. Sam Yes, that's what an old version was called. I guess no one wanted to rename the files and clutter up the change log.
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  889. wuuko Thanks, Sam.
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