XSF Discussion - 2021-08-05


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  182. emus Ok, thanks
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  184. emus guus.der.kinderen: but you mean the person never came back to you nor have replied to anything even you have their contact?
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  188. guus.der.kinderen emus: Correct. I'm not sure I had contact information other than that forum.
  189. guus.der.kinderen In any case, I didn't follow up, not did he contact me.
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  191. emus Ok, thanks for the heads up. But would it be possible to reopen the thread qnd ask again?
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  279. MattJ I may have contact details, they used to be an active community member. They helped develop a previous version of the website... 🙂
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  314. emus MattJ: That would be really great!
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  364. guus.der.kinderen I don't think I can reopen that thread? I guess anyone can reach out to that person. It doesn't have to be me?
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  374. emus I thought because the thread is closed
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  451. georgeorwell Is it still possible to read the book XMPP: The Definitive Guide today, or is it hopelessly out of date? 12 years is a long time, especially regarding the developement of XMPP in the last few years.
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  456. edhelas I think it's like 1984, the main story is still interesting and applicable today
  457. georgeorwell haha ok thx
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  459. Kev I think (disclaimer: author) pretty much everything that’s in there is still valid, but it obviously doesn’t cover the newer stuff that’s been added. The core of XMPP is still the same as it’s always been though.
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  498. edhelas XMPP is having lots of new cool stuff, such as MIX
  499. moparisthebest is it though...
  500. Zash We have Carbons and MAM
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  502. moparisthebest edhelas, https://www.moparisthebest.com/mix/
  503. moparisthebest though to be fair I heard tigase is doing something there
  504. Kev There are several implementations AFAIK.
  505. Zash Someone was working on one for Prosody too
  506. Kev ejabberd had one of the early drafts, I think. Tigase has a current one. Openfire had one in the middle.
  507. edhelas moparisthebest Soon™
  508. jonas’ Kev, you moved! now you get reminded about https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1047
  509. Kev jonas’ well aren’t I a lucky boy?
  510. jonas’ you are! :)
  511. Zash Mmmm, message retractions and pubsub retractions?
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  513. Kev I’m not convinced trying to fit the square 424 into a round mix hole is sensible, given how far off suitable 424 is. I’ll try to do this now before I get distracted again.
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  515. mathieui Seconding Kev, the book covers the basics and most of the fundamentals are pretty much the same as explained in there
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  522. georgeorwell I already asked about a week ago and got two really cool ideas for a topic, but maybe someone has other suggestions: I am looking for a topic for a bachelor thesis with which I can support XMPP. Any ideas?
  523. Kev Depends what your interest is really.
  524. moparisthebest as long as it has something roughly to do with passing messages
  525. Kev Do you want novel UX around chat? Do you want IoT? Do you want to develop a novel clustering technique? A way to cluster MUC rooms across services that’s more complete than FMUC?
  526. MattJ Spam and abuse prevention in decentralized networks :)
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  528. MattJ Finally someone who can give us a solution for this
  529. Kev MattJ: Pull the plug, problem solved :)
  530. MattJ I did, and when I plugged it back in I had 20 more spam messages than I did before
  531. georgeorwell Kev, this is the standard question to which, unfortunately, I have no proper answer.
  532. MattJ (actually I haven't received any myself for some time... I shouldn't joke about it)
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  534. Kev georgeorwell: How to minimise client state sync on login, when 198 resumption has expired (or is not available) is another interesting one.
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  536. Kev Develop a JMAP-like mapping for XMPP.
  537. Kev The options are endless :)
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  545. Kev jonas’:I *hate* saying ‘no’ to people on PRs in this sort of situation :(
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  547. georgeorwell thx for the ideas, Kev! I'll take a closer look at some of your suggestions.
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  552. Daniel Personally I've always wanted to do something with measuring battery consumption
  553. Daniel And the effects of Csi etc
  554. Daniel But that's probably extremely hard
  555. Kev Daniel: But wouldn’t it be interesting if you didn’t need CSI at all because reconnect was cheap? :)
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  557. Daniel Maybe... However if you have jmap for xmpp the push still needs to come from somewhere. I'm currently not sure if jmap's eventsource is more effective than xmpp's maintaining of the TCP connection/stream
  558. Daniel But comparing that could also be a topic for a bachelor thesis
  559. Kev I wasn’t thinking of jmap particularly for the ‘cheap reconnect’ stuff.
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  568. jonas’ > jonas’:I *hate* saying ‘no’ to people on PRs in this sort of situation :( Kev: why did you not say no in the first place? Or maybe bring it to the list
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  570. Kev Because I only just reviewed it?
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  572. Kev Although the remaining issues were things I brought up in the first review too.
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  594. arc Who do we have this morning?
  595. MattJ Wow, that came around fast
  596. arc Right?
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  599. MattJ 😐
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  602. arc So is it just the two of us this week?
  603. Kev I don’t even remember if exactly 50% of board is quorate.
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  611. arc I wasn't suggesting that we actually have a meeting with just two people.
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  615. Kev I would have, if it was me and I knew there was quorum. Why else would I have gone into management but enjoying subjecting people to meetings? :D
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  628. arc Would you like to join the board? We do have a vacant seat!
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  633. moparisthebest > Why else would I have gone into management but enjoying subjecting people to meetings? :D finally... a manager admits it
  634. arc It is a super fun to spend a Thursday morning, or Thursday evening I guess from your perspective
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  636. Kev I do sometimes wonder if I have a higher attendance at Board meetings than an average of all Board members, sometimes :)
  637. arc I think you do
  638. arc I have only missed two board meetings this year so I think I have the highest attendance? And I'm pretty sure you were also at most of them
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  647. Kev Sadly, for the sake of my mental health I need to not take on more responsibilities. I already let too many things slip.
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  669. Sam Weekly reminder for someone on board to provide feedback on financial things :)
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