XSF Discussion - 2021-08-12


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  317. Bung > wurstsalat wrote: > Re xmpp.org update: I added some more redirects for blog posts and I think I covered them all now. I also added data driven announcements (e.g. for upcoming events) which can be enabled/edited via an announcement.json file. I think it's ready now :) Good
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  321. Sam 🚢
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  386. Sam I vaguely remember at one point someone wrote a stream feature that advertised the servers disco#info (or maybe caps?) stuff so that you didn't have to query for it or check if it was updated on start. Is that a thing or did I imagine it? If I imagined it, would others find it useful if I wrote it up?
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  389. Zash Isn't that in XEP-0030 even?
  390. Zash or the RFC?
  391. Zash Wait, caps would be in the caps xep
  392. Zash Sam, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0115.html#stream
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  395. Sam Oh hey! I was looking in disco and not finding it, but I vaguely remembered that it was a thing. Don't know why I didn't think it was in cpas; thanks.
  396. Zash Wanna write a ProtoXEP for including caps of other entities? Most notably you wanna know the caps of your own account
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  398. Zash I forget if I started on one, or just wrote a prototype implementation.
  399. Sam Actually yah, in this case that's what I want to know (I said server, but really it would be "own account")
  400. Sam Although this also wouldn't require a namespace butmp (it's just a feature, it may or may not exist and you have to deal with that), so maybe it could just be added to caps
  401. Zash Hm?
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  403. Zash Wait, didn't we have a CAPS2 too?
  404. Sam I was just saying "maybe we could just modify that section to allow features for other JIDs". I know it's draft, but I also don't think this would require a namespace bump or anything that it would be important to avoid in draft.
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  406. Sam https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0390.html
  407. Zash You'd need to specify which JID it refers to
  408. Zash Not sure if you can do that easily without confusing previous implementations
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  410. Zash Without a wrapper element or somesuch
  411. Sam That's what I was thinking, change the feature name and it's backwards compatible.
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  413. flow I think you would need a wrapper but then not require a namespace bump
  414. flow ahh no, not even a wrapper, it needs to be a new feature
  415. Zash I had `[ <item jid=""><caps:c/></item> ]`
  416. Sam Yes, that
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  418. Zash Maybe we could just shove this into 390 before it gets implemented 🙂
  419. flow hmm yes, as child element of <c/>, that would work and wouldn't require a namespace bump
  420. flow maybe needs an explicit namespace declaration for <item/> though
  421. Zash Actually, my prototype recursive caps thing was an `<iq>`, not a stream feature
  422. Sam I've kind of given up on 390 (or any of the "version 2") ones ever being implemented. I've got prototypes of a few of them though if anyone else wants to pair up and write some integration tests.
  423. Zash But caps1 had security issues, so we probably should replace it eventually
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  428. Zash jonas’, around?
  429. jonas’ mmm?
  430. Zash caps2, can haz some thing for pushing caps for random other entities? own account, local components etc
  431. jonas’ do we want caps2 to become another '45 or '60?
  432. jonas’ or do we maybe rather want it in a separate document building on top? :)
  433. Zash Perhaps
  434. Sam This doesn't seem like it warrants a second document to me; IMO it's core functionality that can't be separated from normal caps support.
  435. Sam But I don't hold that opinion strongly.
  436. jonas’ Sam, IIRC I tried to write it down and it turned out to be a quite a rabbit hole
  437. jonas’ oh, pushing caps **for** random other entities
  438. jonas’ I read it as *to*
  439. jonas’ if someone writes a patch or so, I might adapt it and integrate it :)
  440. Zash Problem: There are features advertised on your own account. To find out which, you have to do a disco#info query.
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  532. Zash Also fun: Combine that with XEP-0288
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  651. moparisthebest https://xmpp.org/extensions/ should probably list https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc7712
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  653. moparisthebest whenever wurstsalat 's changes are merged I'd put in a PR...
  654. Zash 👍️
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  659. Zash I had a thing I wanted to do there, maybe that gets easier too
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  662. Zash https://cerdale.zash.se/s/PiPMeacd5pNdHIr1/e472f1c7-6486-4e86-b4d4-1fb9043e7f26.png
  663. Zash Thing like that
  664. Sam Ooh, pretty. Just having the current compliance suites be automatically updated on the web page would be a big win.
  665. Zash Mostly I'd want to have more focus on it
  666. Zash Perhaps direct links to the XEPs referenced by the latest compliance suite would fit in there too?
  667. Zash Or maybe there's some reorganization between that and https://xmpp.org/about/compliance-suites.html that would improve things
  668. moparisthebest wurstsalat, going to put in a PR at some point? :)
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  670. wurstsalat Zash: Looks like a good idea :)
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  672. wurstsalat moparisthebest: if that's the way forward, yes. But I'm not sure that would help a lot, since other things regarding the deployment have to be arranged, which is probably most of the work compared to exchanging the pelican stuff with the hugo stuff(?)
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  674. moparisthebest wurstsalat, at quick glance looks like the build/deployment is fully contained in that repo too? Just changing the Dockerfile looks like it'd do it?
  675. moparisthebest I can probably help with that if you need it
  676. wurstsalat moparisthebest: it builds fine when using the dockerfile from my repo, but I'm sure there's some magic involved in the deployment (and I don't know where/whether I can view and check those)
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  691. moparisthebest presumably *something* on the server that runs xmpp.org runs https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/MakefileDocker so if your Dockerfile works, it'll just work ?
  692. moparisthebest I'd say put in a PR and if iteam disagrees they'll say? :)
  693. Kev Sounds sane.
  694. Kev If you fix the dockerfile, that’s all that should be needed.
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  697. wurstsalat Alright, I'll do a PR then :)
  698. Kev Thank you!
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