XSF Discussion - 2021-08-26


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  384. arc !
  385. MattJ ?
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  388. dwd ¡
  389. Zash
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  393. MattJ Quorum, at least. ralphm?
  394. arc Do you want to chair?
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  396. MattJ Not particularly, but I can :)
  397. dwd MattJ, Tell you what, you chair and I'll do minutes.
  398. MattJ Trello looks like it needs a sweep, some old stuff there. I think the two items on my radar are approving the fiscal host stuff, and the recent PR for XEP-0001 (rename Draft stage -> Stable)
  399. MattJ 0) Roll call
  400. dwd I'm here.
  401. MattJ I think we're here
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  403. MattJ Anyone else with items for the agenda?
  404. dwd Sadly not, though I do need to find some time for that CoC again.
  405. MattJ 1) Fiscal host policies
  406. MattJ As far as I know this is still outstanding. Has anyone not reviewed it who still wants to? It's been dragging on for a bit.
  407. MattJ https://pad.disroot.org/p/XSF_Fiscal_Host_Rules fwiw
  408. dwd I suggest we write a post on members@ with the rules in, and ask for any last comments.
  409. MattJ I can do that
  410. MattJ 2) Renaming 'Draft' stage to 'Stable' in XEP-0001
  411. MattJ PR at https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1100
  412. ralphm Still on holiday. Back next week
  413. MattJ No worries ralphm, enjoy :)
  414. MattJ jonas’, any comments from Editors?
  415. dwd I'm actually find with this rename. Draft was a copy of the IETF's "Draft" stage, which itself has disappeared.
  416. dwd I'm actually fine with this rename. Draft was a copy of the IETF's "Draft" stage, which itself has disappeared.
  417. dwd So it's now even harder to explain. Calling it "Stable" seems to convey what it needs to.
  418. jonas’ MattJ, no comment from the editors, except that the technical implementation will probably keep Draft in some non-website-visible places for technical reasons.
  419. MattJ wfm
  420. jonas’ I sent comments from Council to board@, did those arrive?
  421. MattJ Oh yes, I did see that, thanks
  422. MattJ Okay, I motion we adopt this change to XEP-0001
  423. MattJ +1 from me
  424. ralphm Without context, I still approve. +1
  425. ralphm good back in holiday mode
  426. ralphm Goes
  427. MattJ 2/4
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  429. dwd Oh, sorry. +1.
  430. MattJ arc, ?
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  432. arc +1
  433. MattJ Great
  434. MattJ I think that's everything then. AOB?
  435. jonas’ hm
  436. jonas’ should someone have asked members@ or standards@ on the Stable vs. Draft thing?
  437. arc We seem to have already voted on it
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  439. jonas’ 🤷
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  441. MattJ If we want to make sure there are no concrete objections, I can send a note out about this too (and say, delay merging the PR by a week)
  442. jonas’ I won't touch the PR anyway until tuesday, so that would definitely work for me
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  446. MattJ Okay, assuming no other business
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  448. MattJ 3) Date of next +1W
  449. MattJ 4) The End
  450. Zash `<fin/>`
  451. jonas’ MattJ (or whomelse may chair): to avoid those awkward pauses, Council has moved to letting everyone raise their AOB during the meeting (thanks asynchronous text chat!), so I typically only break for like 15s or so when the AOB section comes up and then contniue.
  452. jonas’ MattJ (or whomelse may chair): to avoid those awkward pauses, Council has moved to letting everyone raise their AOB during the meeting (thanks asynchronous text chat!), so I typically only break for like 15s or so when the AOB section comes up and then continue.
  453. MattJ Board meetings are defined by their awkward pauses
  454. jonas’ oh no, I hope we didn't destroy a tradition there with council
  455. MattJ Heh
  456. dwd Thanks MattJ.
  457. arc Thx
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  465. mdosch > Expenses must be have been pre-approved by the treasurer. https://pad.disroot.org/p/XSF_Fiscal_Host_Rules Might any native speaker check this sentence? For me it seems like the it should be _have been_ instead of _be have been_.
  466. Zash Either of "must {be,have been} pre-approved" makes sense I think
  467. Zash I guess depending on the tense used in the rest of the text
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  469. mdosch Then I'd go for _must be pre-approved_.
  470. mdosch But I leave this to the native speakers, but the _be must have been_ just doesn't make sense for me.
  471. mdosch But maybe this is something very british as I often fail to parse very british texts. :D
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  484. me9 'must be have been' can't work. And 'must have been' sounds weird. 'have to have been' would maybe work. 'must be' sounds good.
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  487. Zash If you can't read whatever syntax that is, I meant "must be pre-approved" and "must have been pre-approved" both work, right?
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  491. me9 I can and I say your second option sounds weird. But maybe it works? 'must be' definitely does work.
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  494. Zash Not a native speaker but both sound sane to me.
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  499. me9 Mhm.
  500. Zash Slightly different meanings tho, something vs past tense
  501. me9 True. As you already said, it depends on the rest.
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  506. theTedd "must be have been" is wrong (likely just a composition change mid-sentence); "must be pre-approved" is correct; "must have been pre-approved" is also correct, but.. funny; "have to have been" is clunky but in too common usage
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  508. theTedd I'd go with "must be pre-approved" or "must have been approved", depending on required meaning
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  512. mdosch > If you can't read whatever syntax that is, I meant "must be pre-approved" and "must have been pre-approved" both work, right? That's how I understood it.
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  695. emus Not late enough for the end of month XMPP Newsletter reminder 🙂 Please add your project news. You can simply add it via this pad: https://yopad.eu/p/xmpp-newsletter-365days Last addition from August accepted till 2nd of September. Release is planned by 5th of September. Good night to most of you!
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