XSF Discussion - 2021-08-27

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/

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moparisthebest: That might be something for the newsletter even

That was a looong read. Some of the services there I didn't even know of.

Menel: and that's only the tip of the iceberg that is Google Graveyard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4H-u3UVhY

I also didn't know about most of those Google services

The seem to like to play around.. Or burn money.

Oh no

Why did I look?

When did https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#impl-service-traffic grow out?

Never seen that before

Um, is it coincidental that https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html doesn't list libpurple clients (at least Pidgin, Adium, Chatty)? xD

> When did https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#impl-service-traffic grow out? It's alive and sentient, and is extending itself now, Zash

mjk: it only lists clients if the client devs send in a yearly thing asking it to be listed. Those clients don't tend to be specific to XMPP so they probably don't do that.

Sam: I see, it's kind of a yearly-active list

mjk, the reason for the yearly renewal thing was roughly "how do we fairly exclude libpurple clients" :)

moparisthebest: xD

Ooook. RFC 6120 is seemingly very clear that stanzas from client->server with a 'to' attribute are a different class of stanza to those with a 'to' attribute

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6120#section-8.1.1.1

I think one of those 'with' should be 'without' ?

Given this (and if you want a challenge, don't try looking anything up), what 'to' attribute should stanzas to your PEP/pubsub-on-a-JID have?

Yes, thanks moparisthebest. That was a bad start :)

I would assume that if it's server pubsub you'd leave it blank and if it's PEP/pubsub-on-a-JID you'd have to specify it, otherwise how would it know what to do with it? But since you're asking that seems too obvious and maybe there's some other wrinkle that I'm missing.

> mjk escribió: > Sam: I see, it's kind of a yearly-active list exactly

> moparisthebest escribió: > mjk, the reason for the yearly renewal thing was roughly "how do we fairly exclude libpurple clients" :) Id rather say remove outdated clients

meaning out of activity

sure ;D

wurstsalat: > That might be something for the newsletter even At least the gtalk part <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/2/> definitely. Cc emus