XSF Discussion - 2021-08-27


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  48. moparisthebest https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/
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  112. wurstsalat moparisthebest: That might be something for the newsletter even
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  134. Menel That was a looong read. Some of the services there I didn't even know of.
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  142. mjk Menel: and that's only the tip of the iceberg that is Google Graveyard
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  147. Daniel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4H-u3UVhY
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  225. moparisthebest I also didn't know about most of those Google services
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  229. Menel The seem to like to play around.. Or burn money.
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  261. Zash Oh no
  262. Zash Why did I look?
  263. Zash When did https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#impl-service-traffic grow out?
  264. Zash Never seen that before
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  292. mjk Um, is it coincidental that https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html doesn't list libpurple clients (at least Pidgin, Adium, Chatty)? xD
  293. mjk > When did https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#impl-service-traffic grow out? It's alive and sentient, and is extending itself now, Zash
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  305. Sam mjk: it only lists clients if the client devs send in a yearly thing asking it to be listed. Those clients don't tend to be specific to XMPP so they probably don't do that.
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  308. mjk Sam: I see, it's kind of a yearly-active list
  309. moparisthebest mjk, the reason for the yearly renewal thing was roughly "how do we fairly exclude libpurple clients" :)
  310. mjk moparisthebest: xD
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  323. MattJ Ooook. RFC 6120 is seemingly very clear that stanzas from client->server with a 'to' attribute are a different class of stanza to those with a 'to' attribute
  324. MattJ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6120#section-8.1.1.1
  325. moparisthebest I think one of those 'with' should be 'without' ?
  326. MattJ Given this (and if you want a challenge, don't try looking anything up), what 'to' attribute should stanzas to your PEP/pubsub-on-a-JID have?
  327. MattJ Yes, thanks moparisthebest. That was a bad start :)
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  334. Sam I would assume that if it's server pubsub you'd leave it blank and if it's PEP/pubsub-on-a-JID you'd have to specify it, otherwise how would it know what to do with it? But since you're asking that seems too obvious and maybe there's some other wrinkle that I'm missing.
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  365. emus > mjk escribió: > Sam: I see, it's kind of a yearly-active list exactly
  366. emus > moparisthebest escribió: > mjk, the reason for the yearly renewal thing was roughly "how do we fairly exclude libpurple clients" :) Id rather say remove outdated clients
  367. emus meaning out of activity
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  370. moparisthebest sure ;D
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  490. mjk wurstsalat: > That might be something for the newsletter even At least the gtalk part <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/2/> definitely. Cc emus
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