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moparisthebest
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/
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harry837374884
Nnj
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wurstsalat
moparisthebest: That might be something for the newsletter even
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Menel
That was a looong read. Some of the services there I didn't even know of.
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mjk
Menel: and that's only the tip of the iceberg that is Google Graveyard
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Daniel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4H-u3UVhY
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moparisthebest
I also didn't know about most of those Google services
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Menel
The seem to like to play around.. Or burn money.
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Zash
Oh no
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Zash
Why did I look?
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Zash
When did https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#impl-service-traffic grow out?
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Zash
Never seen that before
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mjk
Um, is it coincidental that https://xmpp.org/software/clients.html doesn't list libpurple clients (at least Pidgin, Adium, Chatty)? xD
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mjk
> When did https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#impl-service-traffic grow out? It's alive and sentient, and is extending itself now, Zash
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Sam
mjk: it only lists clients if the client devs send in a yearly thing asking it to be listed. Those clients don't tend to be specific to XMPP so they probably don't do that.
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mjk
Sam: I see, it's kind of a yearly-active list
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moparisthebest
mjk, the reason for the yearly renewal thing was roughly "how do we fairly exclude libpurple clients" :)
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mjk
moparisthebest: xD
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MattJ
Ooook. RFC 6120 is seemingly very clear that stanzas from client->server with a 'to' attribute are a different class of stanza to those with a 'to' attribute
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MattJ
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6120#section-8.1.1.1
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moparisthebest
I think one of those 'with' should be 'without' ?
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MattJ
Given this (and if you want a challenge, don't try looking anything up), what 'to' attribute should stanzas to your PEP/pubsub-on-a-JID have?
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MattJ
Yes, thanks moparisthebest. That was a bad start :)
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Sam
I would assume that if it's server pubsub you'd leave it blank and if it's PEP/pubsub-on-a-JID you'd have to specify it, otherwise how would it know what to do with it? But since you're asking that seems too obvious and maybe there's some other wrinkle that I'm missing.
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emus
> mjk escribió: > Sam: I see, it's kind of a yearly-active list exactly
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emus
> moparisthebest escribió: > mjk, the reason for the yearly renewal thing was roughly "how do we fairly exclude libpurple clients" :) Id rather say remove outdated clients
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emus
meaning out of activity
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moparisthebest
sure ;D
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mjk
wurstsalat: > That might be something for the newsletter even At least the gtalk part <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/a-decade-and-a-half-of-instability-the-history-of-google-messaging-apps/2/> definitely. Cc emus