XSF Discussion - 2021-09-11

Hello, is anyone aware of the credentials for the email adress in fosstodon? the protonmail? If not I would like to try to reach out to fosstodon to replace the email. And I would like to once again raise the topic for an email hosted by xsf for commteam. even if its only receiving. (Its also worth to check this for the other accounts we have actually)

I will also write to members

I don't know the history of this account, but traditionally iteam handles stuff like this and just grants access as needed

Hosting email accounts is not on the iteam roadmap

yes, but we are hosting members@...

etc

which is very different

(hosting mailing lists vs. hosting user accounts)

Ok, but didnt you suggested to have a receiving only account? or a list in that direction?

A forward?

Could also be good, but I think all agree that XSF should have control about this

I don't understand why I am the only one asking for this

Matix and XMPP which one has got more user?

WhatsApp has most.

And that's XMPP-based!

A bit.

I between the XMPP and Matrix

Which one is more safe?

That's like asking Elon musk whether battery electric or hydrogen cars are going to be the future

> Daniel wrote: > That's like asking Elon musk whether battery electric or hydrogen cars are going to be the future 🤣🤣🙄

Bung: I guess we dont have a good answer to, also you are in a chat where many wi'' advocate for XMPP regardless of the number of users. We also likely dont know exactly as XMPP implementations are often dissolved in internet. also many implementations are closed to specific networks. Some numbers are listed on xmpp.net So you might need to compare what information you can collect on both sides. Furthermore, I recommend to review also other factors when doing your decisions. When you ask about numbers only I guess non of it does the jobs kind of.

Recent evidence suggests that we're all tired of people asking "which is better" here and will instead make meta-comments on this.

The Matrix seems more resistant to censorship

XMPP is the best!!

> I wrote: > The Matrix seems more resistant to censorship Chat server can run on separate servers

Well, speaking on my own opinion: I think XMPP is a good choice as it is an open standard, has long experience and offers decentral infrastructure. And I think it has reached some robostness for many of its modules. Innovation and security features is also a thing.

> Bung escribió: > Chat server can run on separate servers I dont understand what you meant

> emus wrote: > I dont understand what you meant One room can exist on two different servers

ok

But public rooms

Bung: ask us again which one is better in 10 to 15 years. XMPP has survived all the other chat systems so far, and it will most probably survive matrix as well

What about matrix 4 tho?

> One room can exist on two different servers Bung: meaning that you can cause a DDoS across the whole federation by going after just one room; https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix/106494375824965424

> wgreenhouse wrote: > Bung: meaning that you can cause a DDoS across the whole federation by going after just one room; https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix/106494375824965424 Voov

> participating in a targeted room meaning any server with users visiting #matrix:matrix.org

so much for censorship resistance

the censor just needs to make spambots

> Voov I don't understand

Woow

oh

yeah. matrix's claims to resilience are pretty laughable

basically it amplifies any attack

but it's true, people are tired of this question, you've asked it across many channels for months now

that's how you build things these days. single-source-of-truth and such nice things are out the window

also see activitypub

> wgreenhouse wrote: > but it's true, people are tired of this question, you've asked it across many channels for months now Ok. Sorry.

Zash: it's a single chain of blocks!

Just remember that anytime you publish a block, you need to notify everyone, who then need to DDoS^W fetch it from you.

At least that protects you from message loss over broken s2s