XSF Discussion - 2021-09-11


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  189. emus Hello, is anyone aware of the credentials for the email adress in fosstodon? the protonmail? If not I would like to try to reach out to fosstodon to replace the email. And I would like to once again raise the topic for an email hosted by xsf for commteam. even if its only receiving. (Its also worth to check this for the other accounts we have actually)
  190. emus I will also write to members
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  201. MattJ I don't know the history of this account, but traditionally iteam handles stuff like this and just grants access as needed
  202. MattJ Hosting email accounts is not on the iteam roadmap
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  208. emus yes, but we are hosting members@...
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  210. emus etc
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  227. jonas’ which is very different
  228. jonas’ (hosting mailing lists vs. hosting user accounts)
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  231. emus Ok, but didnt you suggested to have a receiving only account? or a list in that direction?
  232. Zash A forward?
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  239. emus Could also be good, but I think all agree that XSF should have control about this
  240. emus I don't understand why I am the only one asking for this
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  489. Bung Matix and XMPP which one has got more user?
  490. Holger WhatsApp has most.
  491. Holger And that's XMPP-based!
  492. Holger A bit.
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  494. Bung I between the XMPP and Matrix
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  496. Bung Which one is more safe?
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  499. Daniel That's like asking Elon musk whether battery electric or hydrogen cars are going to be the future
  500. Bung > Daniel wrote: > That's like asking Elon musk whether battery electric or hydrogen cars are going to be the future 🤣🤣🙄
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  511. emus Bung: I guess we dont have a good answer to, also you are in a chat where many wi'' advocate for XMPP regardless of the number of users. We also likely dont know exactly as XMPP implementations are often dissolved in internet. also many implementations are closed to specific networks. Some numbers are listed on xmpp.net So you might need to compare what information you can collect on both sides. Furthermore, I recommend to review also other factors when doing your decisions. When you ask about numbers only I guess non of it does the jobs kind of.
  512. Zash Recent evidence suggests that we're all tired of people asking "which is better" here and will instead make meta-comments on this.
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  514. Bung The Matrix seems more resistant to censorship
  515. emus XMPP is the best!!
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  518. Bung > I wrote: > The Matrix seems more resistant to censorship Chat server can run on separate servers
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  520. emus Well, speaking on my own opinion: I think XMPP is a good choice as it is an open standard, has long experience and offers decentral infrastructure. And I think it has reached some robostness for many of its modules. Innovation and security features is also a thing.
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  524. emus > Bung escribió: > Chat server can run on separate servers I dont understand what you meant
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  527. Bung > emus wrote: > I dont understand what you meant One room can exist on two different servers
  528. emus ok
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  536. Bung But public rooms
  537. Ge0rG Bung: ask us again which one is better in 10 to 15 years. XMPP has survived all the other chat systems so far, and it will most probably survive matrix as well
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  544. Daniel What about matrix 4 tho?
  545. wgreenhouse > One room can exist on two different servers Bung: meaning that you can cause a DDoS across the whole federation by going after just one room; https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix/106494375824965424
  546. Bung > wgreenhouse wrote: > Bung: meaning that you can cause a DDoS across the whole federation by going after just one room; https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix/106494375824965424 Voov
  547. wgreenhouse > participating in a targeted room meaning any server with users visiting #matrix:matrix.org
  548. wgreenhouse so much for censorship resistance
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  555. wgreenhouse the censor just needs to make spambots
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  561. wgreenhouse > Voov I don't understand
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  566. Bung Woow
  567. wgreenhouse oh
  568. wgreenhouse yeah. matrix's claims to resilience are pretty laughable
  569. wgreenhouse basically it amplifies any attack
  570. wgreenhouse but it's true, people are tired of this question, you've asked it across many channels for months now
  571. Zash that's how you build things these days. single-source-of-truth and such nice things are out the window
  572. Zash also see activitypub
  573. Bung > wgreenhouse wrote: > but it's true, people are tired of this question, you've asked it across many channels for months now Ok. Sorry.
  574. Ge0rG Zash: it's a single chain of blocks!
  575. Zash Just remember that anytime you publish a block, you need to notify everyone, who then need to DDoS^W fetch it from you.
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  581. Ge0rG At least that protects you from message loss over broken s2s
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