XSF Discussion - 2021-09-21


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  311. wurstsalat Wouldn't it be nicer to have an overview page at https://xmpp.org/rfcs which would list and describe relevant (XMPP) RFCs, and link individual RFC documents to datatracker.ietf.org instead? This would surely minimize maintenance effort and improve presentation of RFCs.
  312. wurstsalat Relevant issue https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/414
  313. MattJ It certainly would
  314. Ge0rG oh yes
  315. Ge0rG https://xmpp.org/extensions/ does link to the RFCs, but not any more to our nice and fancy XEP-style rendering
  316. Ge0rG Why did you take that away from us?
  317. Ge0rG https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6120.html is eye cancer and an accessibility nightmare
  318. jonas’ ITYM the worst RFC rendering to-date :-X
  319. Ge0rG jonas’: you are using your browser wrong.
  320. jonas’ I saw that terrible rendering on some IETF pages too in the past, but I always try to get away from that as fast as possible.
  321. Ge0rG unless you are also talking about the official rendering being the worst
  322. jonas’ oh, no, that one's (to be clear: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6120.html) the most readable rendering of RFCs I've seen so far.
  323. wurstsalat MattJ: would it be okay to provide /rfcs from hugo?
  324. Ge0rG jonas’: so you never tried to read RFCs on a mobile device.
  325. jonas’ Ge0rG, I see the drawbacks, but the rendering of the XSF had terrible <hr/> between sections and a way too small font size. It was all around ugly. I would've fixed that, but nobody could tell me how to re-render the RFCs, so I never did.
  326. MattJ wurstsalat, yes, I don't see why not. But there are a bunch there - as long as they are all still accessible easily, it doesn't really matter how we serve them
  327. jonas’ https://uc.xmpp.zombofant.net/e6a86707-0244-41ed-a18e-c0d288be27ad/LmPKWnpET4-848SPFf6Bag.jpg
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  330. Ge0rG Sigh. I give up.
  331. jonas’ Ge0rG, more productive would be to find a way to re-render the RFCs.
  332. Ge0rG jonas’: I presume it's based on some rfc xml v1 syntax converter or somesuch.
  333. Zash From source xml we no longer have?
  334. jonas’ I'm sure the XML is available from the IETF tools
  335. Ge0rG generator="xml2rfc v1.36 (http://xml.resource.org/)"
  336. Ge0rG like this one? https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.xml
  337. wurstsalat MattJ: accessible as in "this link still resolves: https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6122.html " or accessible by clicking a link at /rfcs ? My idea was to replace these self-hosted ones with ietf-hosted ones (?)
  338. MattJ Oh I see
  339. MattJ I much prefer our rendering :)
  340. MattJ I use it all the time
  341. Ge0rG I'm with MattJ here. You can't replace text reflow with anything.
  342. Ge0rG The IETF-rendering gives me the choice between unreadable font size and constant horizontal scrolling, so I just don't
  343. Zash https://cerdale.zash.se/s/rQTPrSlUEe0IcGAA/b3p_rdtgRTGBElmbFp4Szg.jpg
  344. jonas’ https://uc.xmpp.zombofant.net/2c985f37-94fa-4be1-8e65-ebbe88d5eadd/7AEoEbK8SnWPbBkRqt3uLA.jpg
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  346. jonas’ Ge0rG, you were saying unreadable font size?
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  348. Zash https://cerdale.zash.se/s/8BjeoqvC2ABVpBQb/D90QZ3EXT3axww8xDzIfrg.jpg
  349. Zash Fennec does a decent job, TIL
  350. jonas’ my screenshot was with fennec :/
  351. Zash If only it didn't do like 2fps
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  353. Ge0rG jonas’: should I guide you through the font size settings in fennec?
  354. jonas’ Ge0rG, no, *all* other pages are fine.
  355. wurstsalat Just now I see there even is an index file in /rfcs https://xmpp.org/rfcs/index.shtml Maybe I'll start by building a hugo page which replaces that index, then add further (non xmpp.org hosted RCFs)
  356. jonas’ it's just our broken rendering
  357. Ge0rG jonas’: BTW, you can use "reader mode" of fennec for our rendering, but not for the IETF rendering
  358. jonas’ I don't trust reader mode anymore. It drops content sometimes.
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  360. MattJ wurstsalat, right, that's what I thought you meant at first, sorry :)
  361. MattJ The directory listing is functional, but it could be better
  362. Ge0rG jonas’: so fixing our font size will be 10 times better than dropping our rendering
  363. jonas’ Ge0rG, and then removing the <hr/>.
  364. Ge0rG wurstsalat: that's a great idea
  365. jonas’ Ge0rG, and, yes.
  366. jonas’ I looked into that though, IIRC, and it was all px based or some similar terror
  367. jonas’ and then I closed it.
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  369. Ge0rG jonas’: well, if it makes your eyes bleed, then remove it :)
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  371. Zash All that meta tag that fixes all mobile issues?
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  373. wurstsalat Re-rendering RFCs for xmpp.org would also offer to update their life cycle ;) 6122 for example https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/issues/382 I guess this concerns multiple RFCs on xmpp.org
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  391. Link Mauve THis would also make https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/947 obsolete.
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  394. Link Mauve I only made this PR because my previous attempts at figuring our RFC rendering process all ended up in failure.
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  403. wurstsalat maybe there could be both: linking to datatracker.ietf.org in all content pages on xmpp.org (readers can choose how they like to read: txt, html, pdf, etc), and then have xmpp.org/rfcs with a nice index page linking both xmpp.org hosted RFCs and ietf versions. this way we could keep the xmpp.org hosted RFC renderings for convenient reading, but also link to the up to date RFCs at ietf.org
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  427. wurstsalat Or even better, make all content RFC links link to the new page at xmpp.org/rfcs#anchor
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  478. emus I like this suggestion
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  1146. wurstsalat https://spacecloud.one/upload/186caa17-bb7d-4ef8-88c9-c2ed149963e2/rfcs-1.png
  1147. wurstsalat my first attempt. suggestions?
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  1149. emus Really nice!!!
  1150. wurstsalat both ietf.org and (if they exist) xmpp.org versions are shown
  1151. Zash 👌
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  1154. wurstsalat should this list _all_ xmpp related RFCs ? there are quite a lot, I learned
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  1158. Link Mauve That would be much better than the current situation, where only some of them are listed. ^^
  1159. emus I am fine when it can be sorted and filtered somehow maybe. bit I am also fine to list all that are related. Becaude well thats it
  1160. emus I am fine when it can be sorted and filtered somehow maybe. bit I am also fine to list all that are related. Because well thats it
  1161. Zash You don't have to do everything at once 🙂
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  1163. emus It is an awesome attempt of you Daniel! 😍
  1164. Zash But you're not the only one not aware of all RFCs, so seems of value to have such an overview
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  1169. emus maybe we can have the overview first and then link to a sorted page with all of it?
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  1176. wurstsalat well, filtering and sorting is not possible at the moment. but each RFC has an anchor by which it can be linked: xmpp.org/rfcs#6122 would navigate directly to that specific RFC including summary and further links
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  1179. wurstsalat we could use those on content pages elsewhere on xmpp.org
  1180. Zash Interesting
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  1222. emus wurstsalat: whats the issue?
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