XSF Discussion - 2021-10-06

I'm aware of the `/me` XEP; are there any others that give special meaning to messages that begin with `/`?

I'm considering a bot whose commands all begin with `/` (because early testing revealed that some mobile phone keyboards make it difficult to type `!` without a following space), and I'm wondering if it's a bad idea for any reason.

Some clients use / to use internal commands I think.. that would be confusing Tim

> Menel wrote: > Some clients use / to use internal commands I think.. that would be confusing Tim Like IRC

Or profantiy

Thanks Menel and Ellenor Malik, that's useful to know. I wonder if there are any bot command prefixes other than `!` in common use. Or, better yet, an XEP with recommended bot command conventions.

Menel: no, I was comparing /commands to the usage of the same syntax in programs speaking the IRC protocol ✏

In the operator room someone uses `@` But just be creative. . Not everything need a xep IMHO.

I guess `#` might be suitable.

Now I wonder with what keyboard # is better then ! 😃

I'll check with my testers, but on-screen predictive keyboards that insert a space after `!` were the problem. Is `#` difficult on common non-US keyboards?

Its certanly harder then !, on my mobile too..

I guess I could just get the bot to ignore spaces after the `!`.

That's probably the best idea. "!" is rather common. Also consider that keyboards will often uppercase the following word

Yeah, I've already made it case-insensitive.

> Thanks Menel and Ellenor Malik, that's useful to know. I wonder if there are any bot command prefixes other than `!` in common use. Or, better yet, an XEP with recommended bot command conventions. I wrote a bot which only reacts to mentions, like 'bot* command'

I have a python prog running on the server, what is the best way to send the output to a encryped group?

One more data point in favor of `!`: Simple Keyboard on android has it right on the main page in many (all?) layouts, without even needing to long-press anything. ✏

> I have a python prog running on the server, what is the best way to send the output to a encryped group? The libervia CLI tool supports omemo afaik.

> I wrote a bot which only reacts to mentions, like 'bot* command' In my case, some of the commands have the effect of taking turns in a game, and it would be strange to address them all to the bot (even though the bot reacts to them).

Tim: Some clients do have their own built in /-commands, which might interfere with your bot commands if you use that as prefix

It sounds like the best plan in my case is to try `!` plus optional whitespace as the prefix.

I've also seen '.' used

It's easily accessible on most mobile keyboards, and generally doesn't start a real message

fun fact, /me italic on discord is replaced with __italic__

Hello, I would like to start the discussion with what mail that many responsibles here have access to in the end we should register our social accounts to. I treat the protonmail as gone. Another question us how to convince mastodon to replace it for us

I dont know if better to discuss on members@

I still don't understand why you say protonmail is gone. I thought SouL had access.

And you were unable to access the fosstodon account, but that was resolved?

MattJ: the password of the email acvount does not work anymore

When did it stop working?

Dont know. I never tried before a ~week ago

and SouL has confirmed his password does not work?

No, but he is not replying

he said he wanted to reach out to you

Okay, then I think we should just wait

but I think its worth thinking about this in general and not rely on some random protonmail

You're not going to trick me into xmpp.org email hosting ;)

no, I got that

I'm not going to say we'd never do such a thing, but believe me a real email provider is a better choice right now

but protonmail or nothing we really have discussed baiut

yes thats what I mean

and you don't consider protonmail a real email provider?

Dunno, I just heard they are advertising they are "secure and private", but do we trust in this or do we want to have it hosted there?

I mean in general. where do we want to have this hosted?

They're pretty well known, I'm happy with the choice. There are others I'd be just as happy with, but I don't see a pressing need to switch.

ok, any other comments on this? then lets be hope soul has different credentials than I do

No other comment. I don't see a problem. If SouL confirms he can no longer access the account, we will need to figure something out. I'm not going to enter panic mode until then.

Editor question: is updating registries just impossible right now?

I think updating the xsf registry git should be possible, not sure if the generated html is automatically updated or if someone knows how to update it manually

Good point

I guess I can just PR the source and see what happens :)

IIRC there is no technical process in place to convert the repository changes into HTML updates

MattJ, yes

MattJ, we don't process registry PRs at all currently until someone figures out the build/publishing

I submitted it anyway, so my conscience is clear :)

MattJ: aren't you on iteam? 😇