XSF Discussion - 2021-10-11


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  204. christian I would like to ask the English speakers among us to write some posts on the subject of federation and the latest facebook outage, explaining the benefits of federation to idiot politicians in simple language. It should be emphasized that it is not something that needs to be invented but something that already exists and is in danger of being banned. Let's start lobbying
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  208. jonas’ why not write the post yourself and have a native english speaker do the proof reading/editing?
  209. christian I am not a "gifted" writer.
  210. christian I am good at asking questions and waking people up from their sleep.
  211. jonas’ I'm not so sure about that.
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  214. christian That is a very good attitude. I like people who are unsure :-))
  215. christian I am unfortunately only good at asking questions, I am bad at researching, learning and answering questions
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  223. christian with the gift of being able to think logically, one always has a harder time in life than if one is hopelessly stupid, but can repeat what others say.
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  225. emus christian: https://xmpp.org/2021/01/instant-messaging-its-not-about-the-app/ https://xmpp.org/2015/01/its-all-about-choices-and-control/
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  227. emus you can also retweet via twitter and Fosstodon as we have postet it there
  228. christian Nice thank you.
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  234. christian Possibly add the license.
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  237. emus look at the very end of the text
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  480. edhelas do we have clients that supports DTMF ?
  481. edhelas https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0181.html
  482. MattJ Yes, but not using that XEP
  483. MattJ RTP has its own standard for encoding DTMF
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  486. edhelas ok 🤔
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  493. MattJ Currently Snikket iOS supports it, and there is a patch for Conversations (which is also built into the Cheogram app (apk at https://patchouli.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/artifacts/~singpolyma/547561/cb79a9b58dbc723e/cheogram.apk )
  494. Link Mauve MattJ, Gajim probably.
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  497. MattJ Using XEP-0181 or RFC 4733?
  498. Link Mauve Yes.
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  501. MattJ The docs say "Sends DTMF events through an open audio session", which suggests the latter
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  503. Sam oh man, I would kill to get that in conversations. I love jmp.chat, but I can no longer use the menu at my bani which almost makes me quit them again.
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  505. MattJ afaik the patch just needs some cleanup and to be submitted
  506. mathieui TIL how signal handles protocol upgrades : your app is forbidden to connect after a grace period of a few weeks/month
  507. MattJ mathieui, that's how WhatsApp handles it too
  508. flow which isn't that bad
  509. Sam Now if we could only fix the weird way jmp.chat handles group texts which makes it almost impossible to start new ones…
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  512. MattJ Pretty sure it's on their radar
  513. MattJ Group texts just don't map well to MUC, and that's all clients support in the way of groups
  514. MattJ Which makes it complicated
  515. moparisthebest iirc it just uses the pre-MUC group chat XEP ?
  516. MattJ Groupchat 1.0? No, that protocol is basically MUC
  517. moparisthebest https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0033.html
  518. moparisthebest https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/issues/3844#issuecomment-667612505
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  537. phryk Not sure how this would work as it's not an XEP, but could support for error stanzas be added to the next compliance suite?
  538. moparisthebest isn't that already required by core XMPP ?
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  548. MattJ phryk, knowing some background about your request, what you're after is actually UI for error handling. You won't have luck with that at the XSF - there is a strong tradition of not dictating client UI rules, except when it's necessary for security purposes in a specific XEP.
  549. MattJ phryk, you're welcome to contribute some guidelines to docs.modernxmpp.org though
  550. phryk Mhhh… 🤔️
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  554. christian Thunderbird dark mode does not permit text mode any more. Its all html
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  556. christian Remembers be of madness - one step beyond
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  636. christian https://dielinke.berlin/nc/partei/igag/lag-netzpolitik/detail/news/xmpp-eine-alternative-zu-telegram-whatsapp-co/
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