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christian
I would like to ask the English speakers among us to write some posts on the subject of federation and the latest facebook outage, explaining the benefits of federation to idiot politicians in simple language. It should be emphasized that it is not something that needs to be invented but something that already exists and is in danger of being banned. Let's start lobbying
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jonas’
why not write the post yourself and have a native english speaker do the proof reading/editing?
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christian
I am not a "gifted" writer.
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christian
I am good at asking questions and waking people up from their sleep.
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jonas’
I'm not so sure about that.
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christian
That is a very good attitude. I like people who are unsure :-))
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christian
I am unfortunately only good at asking questions, I am bad at researching, learning and answering questions
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christian
with the gift of being able to think logically, one always has a harder time in life than if one is hopelessly stupid, but can repeat what others say.
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emus
christian: https://xmpp.org/2021/01/instant-messaging-its-not-about-the-app/ https://xmpp.org/2015/01/its-all-about-choices-and-control/
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emus
you can also retweet via twitter and Fosstodon as we have postet it there
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christian
Nice thank you.
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christian
Possibly add the license.
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emus
look at the very end of the text
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edhelas
do we have clients that supports DTMF ?
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edhelas
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0181.html
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MattJ
Yes, but not using that XEP
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MattJ
RTP has its own standard for encoding DTMF
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edhelas
ok 🤔
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MattJ
Currently Snikket iOS supports it, and there is a patch for Conversations (which is also built into the Cheogram app (apk at https://patchouli.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/artifacts/~singpolyma/547561/cb79a9b58dbc723e/cheogram.apk )
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Link Mauve
MattJ, Gajim probably.
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MattJ
Using XEP-0181 or RFC 4733?
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Link Mauve
Yes.
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MattJ
The docs say "Sends DTMF events through an open audio session", which suggests the latter
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Sam
oh man, I would kill to get that in conversations. I love jmp.chat, but I can no longer use the menu at my bani which almost makes me quit them again.
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MattJ
afaik the patch just needs some cleanup and to be submitted
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mathieui
TIL how signal handles protocol upgrades : your app is forbidden to connect after a grace period of a few weeks/month
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MattJ
mathieui, that's how WhatsApp handles it too
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flow
which isn't that bad
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Sam
Now if we could only fix the weird way jmp.chat handles group texts which makes it almost impossible to start new ones…
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MattJ
Pretty sure it's on their radar
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MattJ
Group texts just don't map well to MUC, and that's all clients support in the way of groups
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MattJ
Which makes it complicated
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moparisthebest
iirc it just uses the pre-MUC group chat XEP ?
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MattJ
Groupchat 1.0? No, that protocol is basically MUC
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moparisthebest
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0033.html
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moparisthebest
https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/issues/3844#issuecomment-667612505
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phryk
Not sure how this would work as it's not an XEP, but could support for error stanzas be added to the next compliance suite?
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moparisthebest
isn't that already required by core XMPP ?
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MattJ
phryk, knowing some background about your request, what you're after is actually UI for error handling. You won't have luck with that at the XSF - there is a strong tradition of not dictating client UI rules, except when it's necessary for security purposes in a specific XEP.
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MattJ
phryk, you're welcome to contribute some guidelines to docs.modernxmpp.org though
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phryk
Mhhh… 🤔️
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christian
Thunderbird dark mode does not permit text mode any more. Its all html
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christian
Remembers be of madness - one step beyond
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christian
https://dielinke.berlin/nc/partei/igag/lag-netzpolitik/detail/news/xmpp-eine-alternative-zu-telegram-whatsapp-co/