XSF Discussion - 2021-11-05

are there any MUCs in which to talk about xmpp in general?

in a more informal way

alex11: https://search.jabber.network/

yes i saw that but i couldn't immediately find anything

there may be one or two but they're in german

What specifically are you looking for, like XMPP development or general chat or

just general chat about xmpp

there's a channel on irc of course, i just wondered if there was a common one on xmpp

You can talk about that for example xmpp:conversations-offtopic-reloaded@conference.trashserver.net?join

Okay, I submitted my application for Board

That means I'm allowed to nag anyone else who is considering (re)applying

Thank goodness I'm not considering applying and am therefore nag-proof :)

MattJ, thanks for running for board :) ✏

Yay for MattJ

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Seems that InfoSec article emus is looking into now says "PUBLISHED: NOV 1, 2021" despite being years old: https://infosec-handbook.eu/articles/xmpp-aitm/

Down at the bottom: "We republished this article in November 2021."

Does anybody know what they mean when they say "republished"?

yep - anyway I think discussing and collecting the points as many did in the pad could still be valuable for us

Why not republish that in half a year ;)

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Holger: "gathering more social media attention for fun and profit"

Yeah.

I republished ejabberd 21.07 today.

Is it in the newsletter? ;)

I don't believe any of what that article says is untrue, and if you are a person who wants metadataless comms over untrusted hops, XMPP is not right for you (nor is it ever likely to be). Of course, all of those properties have corresponding plus points if you have different priorities than being untraceable, like usability, etc.

Kev, that's why the article is so problematic - precisely because it's not untrue, but it's framed such as to be a very misleading picture

Exactly.

They deny bias against XMPP, but there's no other reason to publish an article that says "an XMPP server can see your IP address", when every other communication platform can also see your IP address

I'm totally up for factual discussion and educating users about the strengths and weaknesses of XMPP, but this is not that

Did you see my new article "DOGS: THEY BARK! If you get a dog, you want it to be quiet. I tell you: IT'S NOT!"

Republished.

:D

But moxie would never do anything bad with your IP address

He promised

> I'm totally up for factual discussion and educating users about the strengths and weaknesses of XMPP, but this is not that Yes, that was my intention

Daniel, speaking of promises, I can't believe https://blog.whatsapp.com/why-we-don-t-sell-ads is still up

Google recently (finally) took down their "open communications" page

Just in the past couple of months

Daniel: don't worry, the metadata goes through several servers (all in the same AWS tenant with the same owner) so the one processing your request does not have your IP !

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Dear XMPP folks, the XMPP Newsletter October 2021: https://xmpp.org/2021/11/the-xmpp-newsletter-october-2021/ Enjoy reading!

Hmmm, I'm still seeing "Status: Draft" on stable XEP pages. Is this working as expected for now?

It's still Draft internally as I understand, so if it shows trough then the translation is incomplete somewhere in the XSLT probably

It's just that I remember it already showing 'Stable'. Probably just me though :)

mjk, where are you looking?

https://cerdale.zash.se/s/lnoXZazsPLahVCjq/4b622922-59b2-4f53-bb2c-336e21e295e0.png

jonas’: e.g. https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html (at the top)

Zash: yes, that

/html/body/div/dl/dt=Status /html/body/div/dl/dd/p=Draft

https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/766ed2e98bf4829ad164e96adee144ca5ad9f69f/xep.xsl#L263-L265 ✏

wurstsalat, that looks great 👍 (I translated the diagrams from xep-0001, so there is the possibility that some links are missing or I made a mistake)