XSF Discussion - 2021-12-29

one small question, in RSM, how do I know that I reached the last page while using <after/> ?

I fear the answer could be "once you receive an empty page" ✏

MAM has the 'fin' attribute, makes we wonder if we should have a generic "this is the end of the result set (i.e., the last page)" marker in RSM

You mean the `complete` attribute

`fin` is now just a leftover from when you got the iq-result immediately, followed by the result messages and something needed to mark the end of those

What complete attribute? I don't think that's a thing in RSM

oh, nevermind, you meant in MAM

I meant MAM

In bare RSM without any other provisions, empty page would be the end of results marker. Probably without any <first> and <last> in the rsm tag

i'm currently paging into a ejabberd Pubsub node, using RSM for pagination and having a "previous" and "next" buttons

things are going pretty fine and i can actually send <before/> and <after/> when moving up and down the items

In that case in particular it would probably be nice to actually know if you should show a next button before doing the query

except when I have this case, and I actually don't have hints about how to handle it, so I have a button that leads to nowhere :D

count and index, if you are lucky

RSM sometimes be like

wouldn't the Modern UX be to just scroll and load pages dynamically?

http://e.lvme.me/h0myodd.jpg

no, I prefer to actually have proper paginaton and fixed URLs

and like, show a 'you reached the end' once it loads that empty page

Holger maybe it's a non-covered case in ejabberd's RSM ?

I think an optional 'end-of-result-set' attribute could be added to RSM ✏

yes, that extra IQ is an UX problem in some cases :)

If you get 10 items + `<{rsm}set><first index='991'/><count>1000</count></set>` then you can guess that this is the last page

(assuming I did the off-by-one bug in the right way)

(I probably did not...)

Another fun edge case: If the results change while you are paging

oh yes, I actually have it :) no idea how I'll handle that

"stop publishing, i'm currently paginating"

If the item that you are about to reference in `<after>` gets removed... I bet that's fun.

Items added in the middle of pages shouldn't matter much.

huh

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Are there any rules as to what presence should be shown if my contact is online with multiple clients? (Now that nobody is interested in presence anymore, I forgot these things.)

I.e., "last one wins", "most available", or something else? Or just implementation-defined?

Busy/Online/Away in that order are what I was doing at some point, I think

Sam: Sounds like you're not aware of specs making suggestions, either?

Not that I can recall; I might have gotten that order from somewhere ages ago, but I dunno

Ok, thanks.

("Online" is somewhere in the middle of "busy" and "away"?)

Yes; if you have one client online and the other away, I imagine that means "the desktop is away but the phone is online" or something along those lines so online wins. If you have anything set to busy that likely means "I don't want to be interrupted but might have forgotten to set all my clients" so that one wins.

Ah!

Do _you_ want to write the XEP of presence in PEP?

🤫

i agree with Sam, that sounds sane