XSF Discussion - 2022-01-05


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  226. dwd

    Link Mauve, Some parts of that remain, like being able to use both '\' and '/' as directory separators in most places (and APIs). But yeah, it was a parallel layer to Win32, so very difficult to use in practice alongside, but it worked perfectly well for very simple programs.

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  231. dwd

    Link Mauve, I mean, WSL2 and ASL are entirely distinct VMs, so I'm not sure they're better from the integration perspective than the old POSIX layer, which was more like WSL1 but much worse.

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  340. Link Mauve

    dwd, what is ASL? This is the first time I hear about this.

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  343. Link Mauve

    dwd, at XDC last year, Microsoft did a few presentations of their current work, on their d3d12 Mesa backend (to get a proper OpenGL and OpenCL drivers on all current Windows platforms), on their Weston integration with RDP, on their almost-but-not-quite-DRM driver infrastructure for Linux…

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  346. Link Mauve

    Almost all of it has the goal of integrating WSL2 properly and transparently in Windows.

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  349. Link Mauve

    Possibly could be used with another VM, but they are doing and testing the integration there.

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  357. dwd

    ASL is the Android Subsystem for Windows. Same tech stack as WSL2. Released in the US only, so far, on public preview builds of Windows 11. Probably get some stick for saying this here, but I'm really looking forward to it for my laptop. :-)

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  360. dwd

    So all the WSL2 OpenGL integration will also get used by the ASL work. Or indeed vice-versa.

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  363. Link Mauve

    Woah, so Microsoft can actually make names which don’t start with Windows!!!

  364. Link Mauve

    I don’t use Windows, so none of that has any use to me, but it’s nice that it exists.

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  367. Kev

    Vastly offtopic, but I'm finding I can do almost everything on Windows these days day to day without resorting to another OS, with WSL2. The exception is dealing with mail, as there doesn't seem to be a single decent modern mail client for Windows.

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  371. dwd

    Ah, I have good solid X11 with WSL2, so that's sorted too...

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  374. Kev

    I'm not aware of a decent one for Linux either, suggestions welcome.

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  376. Kev

    Apple's mail is the only desktop mail client I've found that works sensibly for me.

  377. dwd

    Polymer. :-) (Seriously, even I don't run that anymore).

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  380. mdosch

    Kev: What is your definition of a modern mail client?

  381. mdosch

    I hear the opposite from outlook users who find there is no modern mail client on Linux. πŸ˜‚

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  384. mdosch

    Ah, Apple.

  385. dwd

    I think like most things, the important criteria is "It's what I'm used to".

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  387. mdosch

    No idea how their mail client looks/behaves.

  388. dwd

    Hmmm. Can't be called ASL, can it. WSA? I don't know anymore.

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  396. Kev

    I don't *think* I ask for much. * A sensible thread view that shows the message contents sequentially across mailboxes. * An 'archive' function that only moves those messages in the current thread in the current mailbox to the archive (i.e. doesn't move all of my sent messages to archive like EM Client does) * Can connect to Isode's IMAP server (I tried one client that looked promising but seemed to fudge the SASL exchange). * Can render Atlassian suite's HTML mails reasonably * Can do reasonable >-based replies * Can search across the local cache of mailboxes going back years moderately quickly That might be it. EM Client is really close, TBH, but the archiving behaviour is infuriating, and its HTML rendering isn't quite right.

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  399. Link Mauve

    Aside from Isode and Atlassian which I can’t test, I think mutt (with elinks for HTML rendering) fits all of these requirements.

  400. Link Mauve

    It’s the client I’ve been using for close to 15Β years, wow time sure flies.

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  405. dwd

    Kev, Have you talked to the eMClient people? It's been years since I met them, but Filip and co seemed very approachable.

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  409. Kev

    Link Mauve: Oh, does it? Back when I used it as my main client (which I did for years) I didn't think it could do message rendering in a thread view, and the HTML rendering had to be external to the main view.

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  412. Kev

    dwd: No, it hadn't occurred to me they'd be interested in my feature request.

  413. Kev

    GOK why.

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  416. Link Mauve

    Oh, I missed this part; no it only renders the sender/subject/any metadata you like, not the message.

  417. Link Mauve

    I often get emails which are long, which would easily take more than one screen to display, is that pleasant to use in your current client?

  418. Link Mauve

    Or maybe it only displays a small part of the message?

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  424. Kev

    Not sure I understand the question. Apple's stuff collapses long replies and seems to 'just get it right' for me. Let's see if I can screenshot somewhere.

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  429. Kev

    https://prnt.sc/2644co0 that sort of thing

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  434. Link Mauve

    Oh, so like Google whatwastheirname mailing lists?

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  437. Kev

    I don't recall, but it just seems to get it right.

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  442. Link Mauve

    I’d really miss the tree-representation of threads with such a UI, but if they were collapsable and β€œindented” after the message they reply to it might be usable.

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  445. Kev

    It has a thread list as well, which you can expand (although it linearises the history, rather than being a tree, within a thread)

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    XEP-0045's concept of roles is different from affiliations in that roles are temporary, session-specific, except when they aren't? > An implementation MAY persist roles across visits and SHOULD do so for moderated rooms

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