XSF Discussion - 2022-01-12


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  410. pep. Fun fact, pubsub#type has already been “clarified” once, says 0060 revision logs.
  411. pep. I guess that wasn't enough
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  413. jonas’ fun fact, I just warned a consortium of collaborators about breaking changes labelled "clarification" :)
  414. jonas’ ..... asking me from which experience I drew that, I got asked whether anyone is still using that XMPP thing
  415. pep. Yeah. People should be honest with themselves and call that breaking changes
  416. jonas’ pep., I think oftentimes people don't realize it
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  418. jonas’ because the interpretation has been obvious to them
  419. pep. :/
  420. jonas’ language complex
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  422. pep. Yeah. Everybody understands english perfectly, and even among natives there is obviously no discrepancy in interpretations :)
  423. MattJ It depends what you mean by "discrepancy" exactly...
  424. pep. :D
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  429. pep. We should write our specs in lojban I say. It's gonna be much better
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  456. Ellenor Malik toki pona?
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  480. moparisthebest pep., it's especially fun when the same word means exact opposite things in USA vs UK/Canada, for example "let's table this issue"
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  503. mdosch What does it mean? I'd interpret it as 'put it on the table', so discuss it.
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  505. jonas’ and in american english, it means "to postpone something"
  506. edhelas it's basically do an UML schema of the problem and store the problem in a SQL database table
  507. jonas’ and in US english, it means "to postpone something"
  508. jonas’ lol
  509. edhelas *tables
  510. mdosch 😁
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  520. ralphm daniel: came accross this again: https://compliance.conversations.im/test/stun/ why does it say 58% above the graph, but ~ 67% in the graph itself?
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  523. jonas’ all-time average? might just work out
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  528. Daniel The table is just publicly listed servers. The number on top is all servers
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  530. moparisthebest mdosch, yep, in UK/Canada "table this issue" means "put it on the table for discussion" and in the USA it means "take it off the table, shelve it for later discussion"
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  535. flow TIL
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  541. dwd Wordle used a US spelling for the puzzle today and there's some serious outrage on Twitter about it.
  542. Sam Damn, I didn't even think of that. It's almost worse that I didn't get it now
  543. Daniel > TIL Which, btw, in South Africa means you forgot something important today
  544. dwd But yeah, English speakers often don't know the meanings of words in their own language, like "proof" for example. Where it gets very weird is where we use only one meaning of a word ("a demonstration of correctness") whereas most of the idioms use the other, older meaning - "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", "the exception proves the rule", and so on.
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  546. jonas’ huh? the latter seems to be a use of proof (demonstration of correctness)
  547. moparisthebest I'm pretty sure "pavement" has exact opposite meanings in UK and USA too
  548. jonas’ and I always read the former idiom as "the pudding proves its correctness (quality) while it's being eaten [you cannot know it from the preparation/the outside]"
  549. jonas’ where am I going wrong?
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  554. moparisthebest all I know is having talked to brits online every day for 16+ years I *still* learn new crazy things about their totally different language
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  556. mjk jonas’: it makes more sense for the exception to _try_ the rule than to confirm its correctness (which is.. just.. wat)
  557. jonas’ mjk, but the german idiom works exactly the same way
  558. jonas’ "Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel" ("exceptions confirm the rule", which is more close to prove than to try)
  559. mjk Could it be a mistranslation?
  560. jonas’ yeah, I am wondering now, too
  561. jonas’ nope, but both have the same latin origin according to wiktionary
  562. jonas’ and that was "probat" and apparently translates to "tests"
  563. jonas’ fun
  564. mjk Aha
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  566. mjk I vaguely remembered something older-that-English _proving_ the theory :))
  567. jonas’ https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/exception_that_proves_the_rule fwiw
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  579. mjk > probō > 1. to approve, I commend > 2. to test, I inspect (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Make up your mind, Latin!
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  584. dwd Yeah. So in Welsh, the cognate "prawf" means, exclusively, to test. (Or a test, as in school). "the proof of the pudding" means the ultimate test of the pudding, though you could easily say it's the demonstration it's good enough. But "the exception proves the rule" makes no sense unless the exception is testing the rule (and finding it incomplete).
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