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debacle
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Question about HTTP File Upload with OMEMO: Shouldn't the filename be encrypted? If Bob sends a file "nixon-wiretapped-dp.pdf" to Carl, it might ring hollow to say it were a funny cat video.
wgreenhouse
02:13:53
debacle: generally it is aesgcm://noisy-file-name?somekey
wgreenhouse
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Conversations always fuzzes the filename even in clear
wgreenhouse
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that's not part of xep-0454 but probably indeed a good idea
wgreenhouse
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noisy-file-name#somekey excuse me
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mjk
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> Conversations always fuzzes the filename even in clear
That's not enough and too much at the same time. :)) The extension is left "unfuzzed", and a possibly meaningful name is lost. So yea, encrypting the filename is best, but 454 is a mere hack... one that could be extended with filename encryption, muahaha
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debacle
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wgreenhouse mjk Yes, changing the filename to something random is not useful, because the receiver should get the original filename. Gajim uses the correct filename, fortunately. Yes, HTTP Upload is a hack, but a very successful one, just like HTTP ;-) Until we have something "better", more idiomatic to XMPP, we should at least save Bob and Carl.
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Holger
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> the receiver should get the original filename.
The receiver should never get to see it unless he has a long Unix beard.
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Holger
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But FWIW Conversations usually generates a new (compressed) file when sending pics/videos. If you explicitly tell it to send a _file_ (as opposed to a pic/whatever), it won't touch the file name. I think.
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jonas’
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Holger, sending a file is the only way I know how conversations can send a pre-existing video and I think it (tries to) compress that. what am I missing?
Daniel
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It's complicated™ and not very nice or deliberate
Holger
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jonas’, I think my statements might be true except for video 🙂
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Daniel
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The random file name isnt a deliberate thing to hide the true filename (for security purposes or something)
Holger
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(That's what I was trying to say.)
Daniel
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It's mostly because androids file permissions force us to copy it anyway
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Holger
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debacle, anyway yes keeping the `illegal-info.pdf` file name for OMEMO-encrypted sharing sounds meh to me to.
jonas’
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send it to some cloud AI to ask it whether it would find that file name suspicious and only obfuscate it in that case
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bung
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XMPP is best! :D
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phryk
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My pinephone just arrived. :>
phryk
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Anybody here already using one for mobile XMPP?
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I've heard of people using dino on the pinephone, but I don't know who.
phryk
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oh, that might be nice, then i have the same client on mobile and desktop…
phryk
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tho last i heard the mobile UI stuff was just barely in the nightlies
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phryk I have the pinephone Mobian edition and installed dino-im from debian/experimental, which has the "libhandy" patches applied. Works more or less, but not very well, in respect to UI.
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phryk: dino works, but I'm not really using it day to day due to the abysmal storage speed
debacle
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Holger Yes, even the file extension should not be visible to intermediate entities.
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emus
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> phryk escribió:
> My pinephone just arrived. :>
> Anybody here already using one for mobile XMPP?
would be happy to see a blog post with your experiences
phryk
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oh, dino is even in the package repo of the preinstalled manjaro :)
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mathieui, whats "storage speed"
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lovetox: everything is sluggish because it runs from a very slow uSD card or slightly faster eMMC
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Loading everything takes a very long time
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ah k thanks
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