XSF Discussion - 2022-01-20


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  524. dwd Possibly silly idea - a collection of ansible/TF for spinning up all the different XMPP servers plus a web client on AWS free tier (or similar), so given some preexisting DNS name, people could run up a server instantly. Does such a thing exist already?
  525. Zash Snikket
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  527. dwd Ah, good point. But I was thinking of this for all the servers. So, if people want to try out ejabberd, or Openfire, or whatever they can. And mostly, I think, as a demonstration - I keep thinking that Matrix has only the one server (well, two - there's FinChat too), whereas one of our strengths is that we have many.
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  531. guus.der.kinderen I was contemplating something very similar, but with the objective to facilitate integration testing.
  532. Zash dwd: Enjoy dealing with the multitude of reverse proxies everyone apparently already have on that server.
  533. moparisthebest I was just planning to do the same for local testing too guus.der.kinderen ...
  534. moparisthebest but with the added complexity of fake dns servers etc
  535. guus.der.kinderen Openfire has a "demoboot" option that starts a fully provisioned service, which is very useful for this kind of thing
  536. dwd If you go to Matrix.org, they'll tell you to install Synapse (of course). We can't do the same, but we could link to or host "quickstarts" for all the servers. So instead of having to explain SRV records, Terraform can just do it. Might not be perfect for production, but gets people live and trying things out.
  537. dwd And yes, testing.
  538. guus.der.kinderen Wrapping that in a docker image would be almost trivial, and very useful. Which is why we already did that for CI
  539. moparisthebest who are you targetting though ?
  540. dwd Right, so add a bit of TF magic to do the hosting and DNS.
  541. moparisthebest if it's end-users, you certainly don't want them trying to decide which server and which client(s), you just want to say "use snikket"
  542. guus.der.kinderen People wanting to give it a test run
  543. Zash Or show them https://xmpp.org/chat
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  545. guus.der.kinderen Want to play with the server
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  547. dwd moparisthebest, Agreed, but for admins and people who *want* to run their own server, having a baseline for all the servers would be good.
  548. guus.der.kinderen I need to go now, but I'm very much in favour.
  549. Zash Yes dwd, Just Do Itβ„’
  550. ralphm bangs gavel
  551. ralphm 0. Welcome
  552. dwd +AOB
  553. jcbrand Hi
  554. ralphm Hi dear Directors, Members and everyone else!
  555. ralphm ,
  556. ralphm MattJ? arc?
  557. dwd tries to recall the quorum rules for Board.
  558. ralphm >50%
  559. ralphm And having only 4 Directors makes that 3.
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  561. ralphm dwd: but we do have a vacancy :D
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  565. ralphm emus: I did not see any e-mail. Where did you address it to?
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  569. MattJ Sorry, something came up shortly before the meeting and I only just got to my laptop :/
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  571. ralphm No worries, but curious: you don't use XMPP on your mobile phone?
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  574. MattJ I do, but my phone spends most of its time in "flight mode" :)
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  593. sebastian > Possibly silly idea - a collection of ansible/TF for spinning up all the different XMPP servers plus a web client on AWS free tier (or similar), so given some preexisting DNS name, people could run up a server instantly. Does such a thing exist already? dwd: i was also thinking of Spending some time on providing a cloud init Script for snikket so people can just copy paste that into somewhere, e.g. when they spin up a VPS at Hetzner. But so far haven't found the time. But my Thesis is almost scheduled so in summer I don't have that time killer and some room for such things... But most people probabl would need to register a domain, too.... So additional complexity. Don't know if there is any cloud provider that would let you script a xmpp server setup e2e... That would be fantastic, but i wonder if people really care that much πŸ€”
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  604. junaid sebastian, not silly. it actually reminds me about the (now defunct) https://github.com/openspace42/aenigma project imho, registering a domain is a necessary requirement
  605. sebastian ah, didn't know aenigma. Said its discontiued...
  606. sebastian ah, didn't know aenigma. Sad its discontiued...
  607. sebastian snikket already simplifies a lot. If you can register a VPS, you probably can manage to spin up a docker-compose.yml and have a domian registered. But a "click here to buy a domain and have a fully scripted installation" would be cool
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  618. Thilo Molitor > so I think that keeping 353 for call initiation only matches its semantics and is also a good means to implement group calls. That said, I'm okay with decoupling it from jingle and allowing to plug in different mechanisms. Ge0rG, larma: sure I'm fine with that
  619. MattJ dwd, this is basically what you describe, for Snikket: https://github.com/snikket-im/snikket-terraform-aws
  620. MattJ It may serve as a useful template for adapting to other servers too, perhaps
  621. MattJ It doesn't use ansible, mind... just a shell script
  622. pep. And now you have to learn terraform instead of the-xmpp-server
  623. MattJ Right :)
  624. jonas’ terraform is simpler than the average non-snikket xmpp server setup though
  625. MattJ Maybe. Not entirely sure that's true if you're totally unfamiliar with it.
  626. jonas’ maybe, indeed
  627. MattJ I guess if it's a ready made project and targeting a specific cloud provider, "just drop your API keys here and run 'terraform apply'" may be fairly simple indeed
  628. MattJ Especially now they hopefully stopped breaking everything with every release
  629. jonas’ should make a terraform template for sovereign cloud stack…
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  637. junaid sebastian, i've started a new wiki page to track some of the simplified or one-touch XMPP deployment options .. https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/XMPP_Simplified_Deployments
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  639. sebastian junaid: snikket missing 😁
  640. sebastian ?
  641. junaid yea, i was trying to make sure i dont forgot to put the others... ofc i end up forgetting it
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  653. MattJ junaid, added a couple more and updated descriptions
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  680. Sam I've got Terraform templates for prosody/postgres on digital ocean and possibly vultr or linode somewhere if someone wants them
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  770. emus ralpm I have to read to history from to day but I just forwarded the email to board@xmpp.org
  771. emus ralphm I have to read to history from to day but I just forwarded the email to board@xmpp.org
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  789. emus ralphm, MattJ, arc, jcbrand. would be happy if you guys could comment on my email before the next board meeting. I forwarded it to board@
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  798. ralphm Hmm, wonder if we filter that out of it's moderated
  799. MattJ emus, to info@ right? I'm pretty sure I received something from you the other day
  800. emus I send it to your private mails first
  801. emus I can send it to info if you want
  802. MattJ If it's the same email, no need
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  807. emus board@
  808. emus was it
  809. emus but actually you all shoulf have it in your personal inboxes
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