NeustradamusI can create a ticket about the bad logo here: https://opencollective.com/xmpp?
I have already informed a long time ago but it has been forgotten, I think, and without ticket, no following.
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mjkWhat's bad about it? Raster?
emusNeustradamus: As I recommended in my message to you yesterday, I think and still recommend you give it a bit of time before you engage in new tickets of any regard currently. You can find a decent logo in Wikipedia.
Neustradamusemus: It is for this that I have posted this message here.
Neustradamusmjk: Good logo is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo.svg + https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:XMPP_logo_(without_text).svg
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mjkTheir canonical source is probably here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/static/images/logos
Anyway, what's _really_ horrible is the C++ pseudo-logo on the front page of xmpp.org! Here's a real one: https://github.com/isocpp/logos/blob/master/cpp_logo.svg
mjkShall I PR?
Guusyesplease
Neustradamusmjk: it has been updated, you can look here: https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/static/images/logos
guus.der.kinderenIs the money earmarked differently? Should we start using OpenCollective's payment processing services (that also support recurring payments) for 'old style' sponsoring too?
guus.der.kinderenOr, if there is a difference, we might want to document that publicly?
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guus.der.kinderenLinking to OpenCollective from https://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship/ might draw more attention to that, which I suppose is a good thing.
dwdI've just noticed that sponsors can submit blog posts to the XSF Blog. And they're vetted by the Council for some reason.
guus.der.kinderenWe had that since the beginning of time, I think.
guus.der.kinderenOne benefit of OC-for-sponsors is that it might take away our annual manual generation of invoices, which we are bad at.
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guus.der.kinderenPlus, the exposure/transparency might be good.
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emus> guus.der.kinderen escribió:
> Linking to OpenCollective from https://xmpp.org/community/sponsorship/ might draw more attention to that, which I suppose is a good thing.
could you PR what you have in mind?
guus.der.kinderenI'm not sure if it is a good idea. I wanted to start a discussion here, first. 😊
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dwdI'm not sure that OC is the right vehicle for corproate sponsorship, but really from the corporate sponsor's side - people do seem to like invoices and suchlike.
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emusDo we do financial reporting actually?
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guus.der.kinderenDoesn't OC provide those? I can imagine that they must, if.only for their accounting.
guus.der.kinderenemus: our treasurer does that.
dwdSorry, to be clear: "I'm not sure that" is for once a genuine statement of uncertainty, not me being polite and British and saying "You're completely wrong".
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emusguus.der.kinderen: is it public?
guus.der.kinderenemus: unsure if they are published, but I don't think that they're secret.
MattJIt's my understanding that OC is specifically designed to be a good bridge between the corporate and FOSS worlds
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emusWould be interested
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GuusMattJ, that link describes invoices for the payee, I think, not the payer.
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Guus> What's the difference between an individual and an organization profile?
> Organizations represent a company or entity, while individual profiles represent a person. Organization profiles can have multiple team members (individual profiles) who have access to edit it and make financial contributions in its name. If a contribution or expense is for a company, it's important to use an organization profile so the correct billing information shows up on receipts and invoices. Organizations can also issue gift cards.
Guusthat suggests that invoices are supplied to payers
dwdMattJ, Ah, nice.
Guusbut, stepping back: do we _want_ these contributions to go through the same mechanism?
GuusI'm not seeing an immediate reason to not do this, but it's worth thinking about that for a second or two, maybe.
ZashIt's probably looking more Serious to send proper invoices without an intermediary
SamJust catching up, but FWIW I know a lot of organizations that do corporate sponsorship through Open Collective.
dwdYeah, I can't think of any reason as long as they handle decent invoincing, and they probably do that better than us.
dwdAs for intermediaries, even my plumber sends me invoivcing through Xero now.
SamAs far as I know OC doesn't generate invoices in any meaningful sense though. That is, you can put your info in and it will make a single one geared towards expenses, and only if the other party is on OC themselves
SamI've been using https://app.workspace.fiverr.com/ to keep track of clients and generate recurring invoices that get automatically sent and the like, unsure if there are better options but that's been working for me (and I got it free through the freelancers union)
SamOr rather, you can upload your own invoice on OC and input the details, it doesn't really generate it.
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mjk>> Anyway, what's _really_ horrible is the C++ pseudo-logo on the front page of xmpp.org!
>> Shall I PR?
> yesplease
Done! https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/pull/1062
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mjkty!
NeustradamusThanks mjk!
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mjknp. Wanted to do it for a long time :))
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Neustradamusmjk: Never too late ^^
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dwdWell, CVE-2021-4034 looks like a barrel of laughs.
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moparisthebestdwd, yep linked it in xmpp operators channel yesterday https://blog.qualys.com/vulnerabilities-threat-research/2022/01/25/pwnkit-local-privilege-escalation-vulnerability-discovered-in-polkits-pkexec-cve-2021-4034 fun since 2009 !
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ZashAnd wasn't it discovered in 2013 but not fixed?
moparisthebestby all means though continue writing important things in C, nothing wrong with that :D
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dwdReal programmers write in C.
jonas’like pkexec?
dwdReal engineers don't, but that's another matter.
jonas’oh wow
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Zashprogrammers ^ engineers you say?
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moparisthebestdoes anyone know of any use of https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0451.html in the wild ? cc Sam
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moparisthebeston a related note, is there really not a generic way you can send a certificate along with a signature to prove you have the associated private key ? (outside of TLS negotiation, that is)
Zashstop right there, before you invent something like what email, matrix or mastodon uses
MattJDKIX?
ZashWhy would you need to anyway?
moparisthebestMattJ, searches aren't really fruitful, happen to know any more words? :)
ZashAnything sent via TLS is implicitly signed by the TLS cert key, no?
ZashWhat problem are you trying to solve?
moparisthebestZash, to avoid dialback/mux, for piggybacking
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MattJmoparisthebest, sorry, it was a name proposal, not an existing technology. Zash has been complaining about DKIM all week.
moparisthebestyou just "hey looks like you also serve muc.yourdomain, care to send me the cert to prove it? thanks!"
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moparisthebestor the other direction, "hey I'm already connected/authenticated to you for example.org, but I also host muc.example.org and have a few stanzas to send, here's proof"
Zashrenegotiation and ask for another client cert? good thing renegotiation has been killed with fire
Zashhow about this solution: don't
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jonas’moparisthebest, I don't quite yet see the problem statement :)
moparisthebestwouldn't it be a lot nicer than everything else ? assuming it was simple and secure that is
Zashdemand it be covered by SAN in the already sent certificate or open another connection
jonas’but I don't see what's wrong with mux or even multiple TCP streams (though you may now say file descriptors, I'll raise you a "rate limiting is much easier if you only have a single stream per entity)✎
jonas’but I don't see what's wrong with mux or even multiple TCP streams (though you may now say file descriptors, I'll raise you a "rate limiting is much easier if you only have a single stream per entity") ✏
jonas’so, what is the *problem* you're trying to solve, not the thing you're trying to make fancier :)
moparisthebestmux is better than dialback, that's why I was asking about implementations
ZashI'm firmly in the "use BIDI, burn dialback, be happy" camp
moparisthebestbut it'd be even better to *not* have to create new connections
ZashBecause really, how much does multiplexing really give you?
Zash(Actual question that I would like to see answered with statistics and surveys)
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moparisthebestthe end game here is I'm working on a spec for XMPP-over-QUIC, and so have the opportunity to make all the good things MUST
moparisthebestbidi, mux, forbid dialback, it's all on the table
moparisthebestI don't want to *invent* a way to prove you have a cert outside of TLS, but it's kind of something I assume exists already, somewhere, and if it was nice, it could be good to re-use
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jonas’oh right
jonas’I meant bidi, not MUX
jonas’just BIDI, KISS things.
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moparisthebestor you could forbid BIDI by only allowing one-way streams for s2s connections, which is a concept QUIC supports
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moparisthebestyou can open multiple streams per connection, either way actually
jonas’moparisthebest, IIRC you need the back channel actually
jonas’for stream errors or so
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moparisthebestyea that's what I concluded too, just stating the options
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moparisthebestmultiplexing without head-of-line blocking would be pretty nice for s2s though
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moparisthebestcould be for a client with multiple accounts on the same server as well, I guess
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moparisthebestIs there precedent for deprecating half of a final xep? Specifically the zlib method of https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0138.html
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jonas’moparisthebest: unlikely
Zashawkward with MTI
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moparisthebestSo, suggestions? Deprecate whole thing and next method can re-spec it in a separate xep ?
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moparisthebestProbably wouldn't make sense to make it a new xep now with no methods...
ZashAnyone know how to turn 3 sentences into an informal XEP about the proper procedure for service discovery? ✏
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moparisthebestslap some XML tags around it and send it to the editor
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Zash`echo "Start with disco#info the domain part of your JID, then disco#items and recurse, but don't get into an infinite loop." | pandoc -t tools/2xep.lua`
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Zashmissing *all* the required metadata!
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ZashTho it could just as well be a section of XEP-0030
Zash> Version 2.5rc3 (2017-10-03)
still so weird
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qwestionHi noob here, so sorry if I should RTFM or ask elsewhere first, but I didn't find much in my xmpp hist about status.im, its tech and what xsf/xmpp devs think of them?
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qwestionUnrelated : https://tidelift.com/ is other possible complement to opencollective
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moparisthebestqwestion, status.im is not XMPP and is therefore trash not worth considering :D
ZashNot XMPP? Not on-topic. Simple as that.
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emusAfter I told Neustradamus to stop highlighting people, he is doing it again. Maybe more steps are necessary now.
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emusSorry, different repository, but related to xmpp. got confused
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Neustradamusemus: The error is human, I forgive you.
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NeustradamusFor information, maybe some people had not seen, I have renamed https://github.com/scram-xmpp/info/issues/1 to https://github.com/scram-sasl/info/issues/1 for a better deployment :)
I am verry happy to see that SCRAM is increasingly used.
The work done for many years shows success.
I want to thank the developers who have been able to move this in our community.