XSF Discussion - 2022-02-07

> XMPP has been mentioned in a German public TV <https://youtu.be/DdIwus87eLM?t=844> show in the context of data protection. And then the misheard subtitles spell "Java" for "Jabber"... Dammit, ZDF, you had _one_ job!

What are common maximum resumption teams for stream management used by clients / servers? Openfire defaults to 10 minutes.

Anyway, the easiest first step to interop seems to be to forbid Facebook et al to forbid third-party clients in their ToSes and require them to have stable APIs. The transports/bridges/whatnot would then do the rest

teams -> times (I need more coffee)

just when you about to buy a vacuum cleaner bot to support XMPP in IoT you get this: https://github.com/openhab/openhab-addons/pull/12231#discussion_r800626621

Guus, Prosody defaults to 10m too

what the

flow, I did not need to see that

flow, those times when it's regrettable Github has no '😱' reaction

This is horrifying.

muhahaha, just like Roko's basilisk, you can't get it out of your head now ;)

you are underestimating the strength of the walls of my vault

flow, don't do this to me on a Monday.

What, XMPP in a vaccum cleaner ?

My faith in humanity is restored.

I though that Matrix was there for those weird usecases ?!

Now we have to add to the XMPP homepage "XMPP is also collecting dust" !

be brave and go with "XMPP sucks"

:D

At least it's not json...

kindly knock on nearest-by wood, mopar.

"you can fit so many XML in that"

Guus, done

Content is not allowed in prolog, edhelas

hello Vaccum

you know, this gives a whole new meaning to this meme https://www.moparisthebest.com/images/xmpp-vs-matrix.jpg

moparisthebest: :D

emus, if the next newsletter doesn't mention "xmpp sucks" I'll be sad :P

Perfect click bait title!

Actually their XMPP implementation really sucks

don't they all in one way or the other

> moparisthebest escribió: > emus, if the next newsletter doesn't mention "xmpp sucks" I'll be sad :P The what? 😅

emus: flo was asked to help with a (very ... special ...) XMPP implementation that exposes functionality of a certain brand of vacuum cleaners.

hilarity ensued

Ahh, now I get it 😆 I am +1 for "XMPP sucks... dust in your flat" 🙈

right those are just the mundane details though, the takeaway is we now have definitive proof that XMPP sucks

that will be the story of the week the pad is open for your suggestions 😃

> I am +1 for "XMPP sucks... dust in your flat" 🙈 If only there'd been a Summit, we could have had that on the t-shirts.

😆

moparisthebest: Time for your xmpp sucks meme?

Already linked it, gives it a whole new meaning though

Oh yeah, missed it.

But I stumbled above xmpp and vacuum cleaners before.

JME changed name and base-namespace?

Can I pretend `urn:xmpp:jingle-message:1` never existed?

I don't think anyone ever implemented it

and technically the PR is not merged yet 😉

Oh dang, you tricked me with a carefully crafted wobsite

Sleepy time, not coding time

Zash, you mean I should stop producing previews of PRs for easier reading as they could be misunderstood?

😀

Blinking "DRAFT NOT MERGED" background maybe 😛

<marquee>draft not merged</marquee>

Zash, Done: https://larma.de/xeps/xep-0353.html 😉

Perfection

Now I can rest easy